Umm...mormons do believe that Christ died and rose again for them. Sorry to tell you all, but they are christians whether you want to believe it or not. Warren Jeffs was the leader of the FLDS church, not the mormon church. Try to get that straight!Any good advice for an Avatar of a Christian-Mormon?
An image or something from SeaOrg would do.Any good advice for an Avatar of a Christian-Mormon?
Princess Cupcake- That is what we believe.
Wyomugs- you are only slightly correct as to our beliefs. Mormon.Org states them. There is really no proof of the Trinity in the Bible - the trinity is a concoction of the Council of Nicea.
Your a guy, so the YW torch would not work- Some people have temples, some have pictures of the Christus (you know the one at Temple Square).
I'd showcase a sense of humor.
Use the Mormon kid from South Park.
It presented them as very good kind christian people. It was a little harsh on Joseph Smith, just in case you haven't seen it. But nothing compared to Catholics or Scientologists.
The Bleeding Mary is the only thing that's ever offended me on television, and I still found some humor to it.
I figured people would get on you, and Princess Cupcake obviously knows nothing about the Church of Latter Day Saints. But I have to say that despite all the media, the mormons I know have been very kind and Christian and make for good neighbors.
You could photo-morph a pic of Romney and Huckabee.
There's a few on here that have pictures of temples. Those are pretty cool. Maybe a painting by Greg Olsen.
Just be yourself
That is what we all are best at doing
If you need a symbol of your asperations, then choose something uplifting.
There are several of us who have pics of the closest temple to us, but not everyone has a picture avatar, many have one similar to what you have. Some have something that better represents their personality. Then there's the Senator's avatar, his doesn't have anything to do with Mormonism.
I'm not sure if there's anything specific you could have as your picture; perhaps a Temple, or something that symbolizes (to you) the three tiers of Heaven? Then again, I like Yggdrasil's suggestion too! :)
But I'd like to clarify that Christian-Mormon is a redundancy, not an oxymoron. Mormons are, and have always been, one out of tens of thousands of Christian sects.
You seem to have a very nice one now. And as for the other part Christian is as Christian does. I've seen and heard a lot of people who call themselves Christian but don't act like it.
You mean the little picture next to your name? It looks like you've figured it out pretty well to me.
I would think anything that's tasteful and that you like. Most people use a picture, an approximation of their appearance through the Avatar maker, or a favorite image.
Looks about right...too bad you can't show off your garment! LOL. Just kidding. I've known alot of Mormons, and they are just as Christian as Baptists and Catholics. They have additional beliefs, but they are Christian all the same.
Don't forget the horns....lol
KJV....you took the words right out of my mouth!!!!!!
wtf isnt that an oxy moron?
HAHA
oxy moron
Hmmm.... that would be hard. Maybe a picture of someone who is both tall and short..... or would those two traits also be mutually exclusive?
No such thing!
Stop it.
Christian Mormon is an oxymoron.
go to heel?
whats that
Babs... sorry to burst your bubble, but mormons are NOT Christians. Yes, they say they believe that Christ died for our sins, but they do NOT believe that Christ IS GOD... but the Son of God. They do not accept the doctrine of the Trinity. They believe that Christ was a CREATED BEING, and not THE Eternal God, BEGOTTEN of His Father before all worlds were created. THIS is the main difference in the doctrines... and the doctrine of the Trinity is BASIC to THE Christian belief. (Oh, the also believe that Jesus was FULLY human who BECAME A GOD upon his death, and that God The Father and God the Son are SEPARATE beings... Those are ALSO NOT basic Christian tenets.)
JUST because a religion acknowleged Jesus does NOT automatically make it a CHRISTIAN religion. Take Islam, for example. THEY recognize Jesus, but NOT as being God. Just try going up to a Muslim and saying, ';Hey, you're really Christian, aren't you?'; and see how far you get!
As for the original question... I agree... ';Christian mormon'; is an oxymoron.
Have a blessed day.
a picture of Warren Jeffs?
Thursday, December 31, 2009
Why is it when I ask for advice about homosexuality, every single Christian/Catholic criticizes me?
Why is it the priority of everyone to tell me that I'm going to burn in hell for being gay?Why is it when I ask for advice about homosexuality, every single Christian/Catholic criticizes me?
I have never once criticized you or told you that you'd burn in hell, and I'm Catholic.
A Catholic person is not supposed to condemn anyone to hell, so if Catholics have done that to you, they are breaking the rules. I apologize for their misconduct. .Why is it when I ask for advice about homosexuality, every single Christian/Catholic criticizes me?
%26lt;%26lt;Why is it when I ask for advice about homosexuality, every single Christian/Catholic criticizes me? Why is it the priority of everyone to tell me that I'm going to burn in hell for being gay?%26gt;%26gt;
You're asking the wrong ';ilk'; of Christians. This ilk can't wait to find fault with people and condemn them to hell because they equate the sin with the sinner.
';Real'; Christians are supposed to be able to see the Christ-like Dignity in people, even in spite of personal sin. ';Hate the sin, love the sinner'; is this ilk of Christian's ';gig';.
From the Catholic perspective, merely being homosexual ins't a sin. Having said that, engaging in homosexual acts IS a sin on account of the fact it violates the Christian virtues of Chastity and Abstinence.
Official teachings from the Catechism state:
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ';homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.'; They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
What do you expect from Christians/Catholics? Most of them believe that it is within their rights to condemn as many people to hell. It is almost as if the pope mandated every catholic to banish at least 50 people to hell a day and by doing that, somehow, they will be considered virtuous to be sent to heaven. Can you imagine how heaven must be populated by bigots, racists, fanatics, the intolerant, fundamentalists, religious peddlers and of course all the dead popes? Hell should be a welcome change so don't worry.
not only this but many catholics think that if things are not the exactly the way they were raised then the person feels if it is wrong even if its a natural thing.
by the way its Mostlyy Catholics because i am religious but im not Catholic and i find nothing wrong with homosexuality.
by the way no matter what you do you are going to be told that you are going to hell by somebody no matter what you do so i would not worry about it that much
I think you are exaggerating just a bit.
In addition it is against Catholic doctrine to claim than anyone is ';going to burn in hell for being gay.';
Created in the image of the one God and equally endowed with rational souls, all men have the same nature and the same origin. Redeemed by the sacrifice of Christ, all are called to participate in the same divine beatitude: all therefore enjoy an equal dignity.
The Catholic Church believes there is nothing sinful about being homosexual. But all unmarried people (homosexual, bisexual, and heterosexual) are called to celibacy.
The Church specifically says that homosexuals ';must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.';
Official Church documents:
+ ';Always Our Children: A Pastoral Message to Parents of Homosexual Children and Suggestions for Pastoral Ministers';
http://www.usccb.org/laity/always.shtml
+ ';On the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons'; http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_df鈥?/a>
For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 2357-2359: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3s鈥?/a>
With love in Christ.
Not all.
You are a perfect creation of God just the way you are - but here's the deal: not everyone has as much room for love in their hearts as God does.
Anyone who offers nonconstructive criticism has a limited understand of God's all loving nature. Why worry about some? You might want to start ignoring some of the criticism you find here. Remember, this is Y/A, not an online group of theological experts.
Namaste
because it's human instinct to fear what we don't understand. that said, it's probably the really hardcore ones that criticize you, because they have to believe in something greater than them and they take the things that don't apply to them specifically to extremes.
i'm atheist but my family is catholic and they don't discriminate against gays. you got bad luck with the ones you asked me thinks.
firstly dont worry you will not burn in hell bacause there is no hell. people tell me i will burn in hell simply because i dont believe in god- shame im sooo scared, anyway if there was a heaven id hate to share it with those biggots. accept that people have their beliefs which is their right but dont worry if they critisise you cos they have no right to, your life is your own, live it to the full and enjoy everything you do
As a Catholic please don't lump us into the ';every single'; category. I don't criticize what your sexual preference is because I have gay and lesbian friends. As a religion we are taught not to judge and NO Catholic I know has ever told anyone that they were going to Hell. Thank you and have a nice day!
If a Catholic tells you you are going to burn in hell for something then they are ignorant of their own Church's teachings.
We are strictly FORBIDDEN from saying someone is going to hell. If we condemn actions that is not saying you'll be going to hell however. We are not God and do not know His Judgments, we only know what He has told us.
your not going to burn in hell.... def not God loves you even if you are gay... yea i dont think its right but its your life. if you asked God into your heart thats all that matter.... God's a forgiving God no matter what sin you have made.... he forgives murders and people who rape others... your not going to hell as long as you ask him into your heart. thats the reason why jesus died on the cross for us, so we can be forgiven for all that we do.
Because some Christians are misguided...I am a Christian and I will not tell you that you are going to Hell...nor will I criticize your sexual orientation. DO NOT JUDGE, LEST YE BE JUDGED, PEOPLE. Christians sometimes have an interesting way of ';leading'; people to Christ.
And can all the fundies say ';thumbs down';?
I've seen Muslims do the same and watched it too. They (Christians you're referring to) should help you properly. Stating that according to the Bible you'd end up some where is more appropriate than shouting that ''you're going to hell'. Not all Christians are like that.
The title of the sin is not what is relevant, rather it is when one speaks of sin as if it is not sin, by somehow bypassing the sinfulness of sin, and attempting to view it as if it were not sin.
You can be gay straight and a transvestite and still get into heaven!! I hate to say it but alot of Christians and Catholics are very judgmental and not very understanding!! So going to one of them would not be the best thing to do.
They are afraid of their own sexuality! You will not burn in hell cuz there is no hell! Just look at them as silly self-righteous creatures that don't comprehend the honor of being kind to those who are different from them...they fear you! Shame on them!
I do not know why you say that I hate no one. I may not feel that the Faith teaches the gay lifestyle is acceptable but I do not hate. Some matters are between a soul and God.
You are asking the wrong kinds of people about homosexuality, my dear....
However, no one has the supreme right to tell you you will go to hell except the Lord on Judgement day.
They don't listen to their Bishop.
Come live in Los Angeles.
http://www.la-archdiocese.org/ministry/m鈥?/a>
They ridicule what they do not like. If you don't belong to their ';club'; they condemn you to their imaginary time out place called hell.
I sincerely doubt its ';every single'; one. Just ignore intolerant dipshits. They aren't worth the time and effort it takes to care.
I have no problem with gay people I just don't agree with them marrying each other. Nobody has the right to judge anyone. Be thankful you ain't muslim or they would kill you.
my baptist grandmother says that anyone who is a bigot toward gays really is a little gay themselves.
Those questions are best asked in LGBT hun..
Nothing but haters here on that subject
Funny how people Pretend to Know Things, they Cannot Possibly Know.
Thats what happens when you can't think for yourself.
Because some of them are quite ignorant.
What kind of advice are you looking for? Do tell. Wait....let me just loosen my belt...ahhh..there we go. Go ahead, tell me your story you dirty girl you.
Homosexuality ends when you become Christian so you cannot ask for advise as a Christian while being homosexual. You are addressed as someone who needs God when you ask such a question.
A Christian should not hate you, however, you cannot expect them to accept a sinful lifestyle either. A Christian can love you and rebuke you out of love.
You may find a loving rebuke to be hateful because you are a sinner rebelling against your creator and want to avoid hearing God's truth. I pray that God blesses you with the gifts of faith and repentance and that you become a new creature in Christ.
This Christian will give you some advice.
Avoid it. Separate yourself from it, like it were the same thing cheating, fornication, adultery, promiscuity and pornography, because it is the same kind of thing. It will leave you empty and spent and unfulfilled.
Seek out a loving trusting relationship with a member of the opposite sex.
Choose life, so that you may have life more abundantly.
Hope that helps.
BECAUSE YOU WILL my darling
I have never once criticized you or told you that you'd burn in hell, and I'm Catholic.
A Catholic person is not supposed to condemn anyone to hell, so if Catholics have done that to you, they are breaking the rules. I apologize for their misconduct. .Why is it when I ask for advice about homosexuality, every single Christian/Catholic criticizes me?
%26lt;%26lt;Why is it when I ask for advice about homosexuality, every single Christian/Catholic criticizes me? Why is it the priority of everyone to tell me that I'm going to burn in hell for being gay?%26gt;%26gt;
You're asking the wrong ';ilk'; of Christians. This ilk can't wait to find fault with people and condemn them to hell because they equate the sin with the sinner.
';Real'; Christians are supposed to be able to see the Christ-like Dignity in people, even in spite of personal sin. ';Hate the sin, love the sinner'; is this ilk of Christian's ';gig';.
From the Catholic perspective, merely being homosexual ins't a sin. Having said that, engaging in homosexual acts IS a sin on account of the fact it violates the Christian virtues of Chastity and Abstinence.
Official teachings from the Catechism state:
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ';homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.'; They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
What do you expect from Christians/Catholics? Most of them believe that it is within their rights to condemn as many people to hell. It is almost as if the pope mandated every catholic to banish at least 50 people to hell a day and by doing that, somehow, they will be considered virtuous to be sent to heaven. Can you imagine how heaven must be populated by bigots, racists, fanatics, the intolerant, fundamentalists, religious peddlers and of course all the dead popes? Hell should be a welcome change so don't worry.
not only this but many catholics think that if things are not the exactly the way they were raised then the person feels if it is wrong even if its a natural thing.
by the way its Mostlyy Catholics because i am religious but im not Catholic and i find nothing wrong with homosexuality.
by the way no matter what you do you are going to be told that you are going to hell by somebody no matter what you do so i would not worry about it that much
I think you are exaggerating just a bit.
In addition it is against Catholic doctrine to claim than anyone is ';going to burn in hell for being gay.';
Created in the image of the one God and equally endowed with rational souls, all men have the same nature and the same origin. Redeemed by the sacrifice of Christ, all are called to participate in the same divine beatitude: all therefore enjoy an equal dignity.
The Catholic Church believes there is nothing sinful about being homosexual. But all unmarried people (homosexual, bisexual, and heterosexual) are called to celibacy.
The Church specifically says that homosexuals ';must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.';
Official Church documents:
+ ';Always Our Children: A Pastoral Message to Parents of Homosexual Children and Suggestions for Pastoral Ministers';
http://www.usccb.org/laity/always.shtml
+ ';On the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons'; http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_df鈥?/a>
For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 2357-2359: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3s鈥?/a>
With love in Christ.
Not all.
You are a perfect creation of God just the way you are - but here's the deal: not everyone has as much room for love in their hearts as God does.
Anyone who offers nonconstructive criticism has a limited understand of God's all loving nature. Why worry about some? You might want to start ignoring some of the criticism you find here. Remember, this is Y/A, not an online group of theological experts.
Namaste
because it's human instinct to fear what we don't understand. that said, it's probably the really hardcore ones that criticize you, because they have to believe in something greater than them and they take the things that don't apply to them specifically to extremes.
i'm atheist but my family is catholic and they don't discriminate against gays. you got bad luck with the ones you asked me thinks.
firstly dont worry you will not burn in hell bacause there is no hell. people tell me i will burn in hell simply because i dont believe in god- shame im sooo scared, anyway if there was a heaven id hate to share it with those biggots. accept that people have their beliefs which is their right but dont worry if they critisise you cos they have no right to, your life is your own, live it to the full and enjoy everything you do
As a Catholic please don't lump us into the ';every single'; category. I don't criticize what your sexual preference is because I have gay and lesbian friends. As a religion we are taught not to judge and NO Catholic I know has ever told anyone that they were going to Hell. Thank you and have a nice day!
If a Catholic tells you you are going to burn in hell for something then they are ignorant of their own Church's teachings.
We are strictly FORBIDDEN from saying someone is going to hell. If we condemn actions that is not saying you'll be going to hell however. We are not God and do not know His Judgments, we only know what He has told us.
your not going to burn in hell.... def not God loves you even if you are gay... yea i dont think its right but its your life. if you asked God into your heart thats all that matter.... God's a forgiving God no matter what sin you have made.... he forgives murders and people who rape others... your not going to hell as long as you ask him into your heart. thats the reason why jesus died on the cross for us, so we can be forgiven for all that we do.
Because some Christians are misguided...I am a Christian and I will not tell you that you are going to Hell...nor will I criticize your sexual orientation. DO NOT JUDGE, LEST YE BE JUDGED, PEOPLE. Christians sometimes have an interesting way of ';leading'; people to Christ.
And can all the fundies say ';thumbs down';?
I've seen Muslims do the same and watched it too. They (Christians you're referring to) should help you properly. Stating that according to the Bible you'd end up some where is more appropriate than shouting that ''you're going to hell'. Not all Christians are like that.
The title of the sin is not what is relevant, rather it is when one speaks of sin as if it is not sin, by somehow bypassing the sinfulness of sin, and attempting to view it as if it were not sin.
You can be gay straight and a transvestite and still get into heaven!! I hate to say it but alot of Christians and Catholics are very judgmental and not very understanding!! So going to one of them would not be the best thing to do.
They are afraid of their own sexuality! You will not burn in hell cuz there is no hell! Just look at them as silly self-righteous creatures that don't comprehend the honor of being kind to those who are different from them...they fear you! Shame on them!
I do not know why you say that I hate no one. I may not feel that the Faith teaches the gay lifestyle is acceptable but I do not hate. Some matters are between a soul and God.
You are asking the wrong kinds of people about homosexuality, my dear....
However, no one has the supreme right to tell you you will go to hell except the Lord on Judgement day.
They don't listen to their Bishop.
Come live in Los Angeles.
http://www.la-archdiocese.org/ministry/m鈥?/a>
They ridicule what they do not like. If you don't belong to their ';club'; they condemn you to their imaginary time out place called hell.
I sincerely doubt its ';every single'; one. Just ignore intolerant dipshits. They aren't worth the time and effort it takes to care.
I have no problem with gay people I just don't agree with them marrying each other. Nobody has the right to judge anyone. Be thankful you ain't muslim or they would kill you.
my baptist grandmother says that anyone who is a bigot toward gays really is a little gay themselves.
Those questions are best asked in LGBT hun..
Nothing but haters here on that subject
Funny how people Pretend to Know Things, they Cannot Possibly Know.
Thats what happens when you can't think for yourself.
Because some of them are quite ignorant.
What kind of advice are you looking for? Do tell. Wait....let me just loosen my belt...ahhh..there we go. Go ahead, tell me your story you dirty girl you.
Homosexuality ends when you become Christian so you cannot ask for advise as a Christian while being homosexual. You are addressed as someone who needs God when you ask such a question.
A Christian should not hate you, however, you cannot expect them to accept a sinful lifestyle either. A Christian can love you and rebuke you out of love.
You may find a loving rebuke to be hateful because you are a sinner rebelling against your creator and want to avoid hearing God's truth. I pray that God blesses you with the gifts of faith and repentance and that you become a new creature in Christ.
This Christian will give you some advice.
Avoid it. Separate yourself from it, like it were the same thing cheating, fornication, adultery, promiscuity and pornography, because it is the same kind of thing. It will leave you empty and spent and unfulfilled.
Seek out a loving trusting relationship with a member of the opposite sex.
Choose life, so that you may have life more abundantly.
Hope that helps.
BECAUSE YOU WILL my darling
Is this good advice to give a Christian?--?
I have several christian friends and of different walks of faith. They always come to me because I am considered the ';wise'; one of the group. Now regarding questions about sex/relationships... people often ask me the shoulds and should nots when it comes to it. Tell me if this is good advice:
When in a ';relationship (could be with a friend OR opposite sex)'; it is good not to do anything you would NOT do in front of a small child.
I would like to hear from you all of different faiths because like I said before, I have friends from all walks... thanks. :)Is this good advice to give a Christian?--?
From a Christian point of view, with a boyfriend/girl friend you should never do anything that you wouldn't want ANYONE to walk in on, not just a small child. I've heard people say you shouldn't ask how far is too far, but instead ask how pure can we be? But you're right in that you definitely wouldn't want to do anything you wouldn't do in front of a small child, but I just think that you need to be even stricter than that.Is this good advice to give a Christian?--?
One would never have sex if one applied that rule literally (since exposing any small child to any sexual act is wrong.)
It might be better to say when in a relationship, it is good not to do anything to make the other person feel less holy and spiritual than they are. Whatever sanctifies them, sanctifies the relationship. Whatever desecrates them, desecrates the relationship (and that includes preaching to them and making them feel less than special or small or wrong.)
Wisdom means giving the man who likes apples an apple, and the man who likes oranges an orange, and planting one of each tree so that apples and oranges may be plentiful for both.
Well I believe you should take into consideration the religious beliefs of your friends, and of course their age. For some premarital sex is just fine, while for others it is a sin. I think your answer is a bit vague but well thought out nonetheless
Get a head start on life and make them pay for your advice. You could be the next Dr. Phil. LoL, or ask WWBD
That is a pretty good standard. Or with your _____________ (sister, brother, mother, etc).
I can certainly understand the spirit of what you're trying to say, and at first glance, I'd be inclined to say it's generally good advice. However, many people ignore their consciences and morality, unfortunately.
For instance, if you consider Muhammad, whom the Muslims regard as a prophet, you couldn't give that advice to him. He did not do things in front of a small child; he did things TO a small child. He married a six-year-old girl and had sex with her when she was nine. Here's proof:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
So, you can't really say something like that to Muslims. As for your advice, it's better to say, ';Don't do anything you would NOT do in front of God,'; because He actually is watching. If we were only aware of His presence at all times, we'd be much less inclined to justify our sinful actions.
I think you need to give advice that's comes in your mind first.. Because if you are wise enough you can't give wrong advise.
sounds ok. I tell the kids in our youth group that when they use the computer they should act like Jesus is behind them
I would say you're not going to be much fun
good advice?? dating and petting is NOT a Biblical perspective.... why should you kiss ANYONE who is ACTUALLY the future spouse of someone else??????????
you should do things as if someone is watching but not necessarily a small child there are things that a young child might not need to see but if they are not present then in my opinion it doesn't matter god is watching
try using the bible to answer life questions like this. your opinion, while ';wise';, is just that...your opinion.
the bible is meant to be the standard in our Christian walk...i'd hate to stand before God and try saying, ';but she told me it was ok...';
I do it infront of youngins
Reminds me of when I was taught to drive. My dad said to always drive like I had a cop behind me and Jesus beside me.
Oh my goodness something you wouldn't do in front of a small child or what they wouldn't do.
Maybe the kindest advice would be ';I know from experience that sexual activity at your age can make you wise but confused.';
The Bible says to seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these other things will be added to you! In other words, we should spend our time focusing on our relationship with God, and in His perfect timing, He will bring the perfect mate into our lives! Until that happens, we should not enter into ';relationships'; that are not appointed by and centered on the Lord!
When in a ';relationship (could be with a friend OR opposite sex)'; it is good not to do anything you would NOT do in front of a small child.
I would like to hear from you all of different faiths because like I said before, I have friends from all walks... thanks. :)Is this good advice to give a Christian?--?
From a Christian point of view, with a boyfriend/girl friend you should never do anything that you wouldn't want ANYONE to walk in on, not just a small child. I've heard people say you shouldn't ask how far is too far, but instead ask how pure can we be? But you're right in that you definitely wouldn't want to do anything you wouldn't do in front of a small child, but I just think that you need to be even stricter than that.Is this good advice to give a Christian?--?
One would never have sex if one applied that rule literally (since exposing any small child to any sexual act is wrong.)
It might be better to say when in a relationship, it is good not to do anything to make the other person feel less holy and spiritual than they are. Whatever sanctifies them, sanctifies the relationship. Whatever desecrates them, desecrates the relationship (and that includes preaching to them and making them feel less than special or small or wrong.)
Wisdom means giving the man who likes apples an apple, and the man who likes oranges an orange, and planting one of each tree so that apples and oranges may be plentiful for both.
Well I believe you should take into consideration the religious beliefs of your friends, and of course their age. For some premarital sex is just fine, while for others it is a sin. I think your answer is a bit vague but well thought out nonetheless
Get a head start on life and make them pay for your advice. You could be the next Dr. Phil. LoL, or ask WWBD
That is a pretty good standard. Or with your _____________ (sister, brother, mother, etc).
I can certainly understand the spirit of what you're trying to say, and at first glance, I'd be inclined to say it's generally good advice. However, many people ignore their consciences and morality, unfortunately.
For instance, if you consider Muhammad, whom the Muslims regard as a prophet, you couldn't give that advice to him. He did not do things in front of a small child; he did things TO a small child. He married a six-year-old girl and had sex with her when she was nine. Here's proof:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
So, you can't really say something like that to Muslims. As for your advice, it's better to say, ';Don't do anything you would NOT do in front of God,'; because He actually is watching. If we were only aware of His presence at all times, we'd be much less inclined to justify our sinful actions.
I think you need to give advice that's comes in your mind first.. Because if you are wise enough you can't give wrong advise.
sounds ok. I tell the kids in our youth group that when they use the computer they should act like Jesus is behind them
I would say you're not going to be much fun
good advice?? dating and petting is NOT a Biblical perspective.... why should you kiss ANYONE who is ACTUALLY the future spouse of someone else??????????
you should do things as if someone is watching but not necessarily a small child there are things that a young child might not need to see but if they are not present then in my opinion it doesn't matter god is watching
try using the bible to answer life questions like this. your opinion, while ';wise';, is just that...your opinion.
the bible is meant to be the standard in our Christian walk...i'd hate to stand before God and try saying, ';but she told me it was ok...';
I do it infront of youngins
Reminds me of when I was taught to drive. My dad said to always drive like I had a cop behind me and Jesus beside me.
Oh my goodness something you wouldn't do in front of a small child or what they wouldn't do.
Maybe the kindest advice would be ';I know from experience that sexual activity at your age can make you wise but confused.';
The Bible says to seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these other things will be added to you! In other words, we should spend our time focusing on our relationship with God, and in His perfect timing, He will bring the perfect mate into our lives! Until that happens, we should not enter into ';relationships'; that are not appointed by and centered on the Lord!
Married Christian Women -- I need your advice please.?
I know for a fact that my husband has had an affair in the past. He admitted this to me, we went to counseling and worked things out. Today, I found text messages from the same woman's number on his cell phone, saying things like ';I miss you'; and ';When can you come over?'; I called her and she told me that she was under the impression that we were getting divorced and that my husband was making plans to move in with her. He, of course, says that its not true ... that she started texting him and he had not responded.
I want to believe my husband and to uphold my marriage vows, but I don't want to be a doormat either. We just lost a child a little over a month ago and he has pulled away alot since then. I just don't know if I can believe what he says.
Do you have any advice for me? And if you can't offer advice, will you at least offer prayers?Married Christian Women -- I need your advice please.?
Drive you husband to a lawyer for him to obtain a restraining order against the other woman as according to him she is harassing him. See how he responds.Married Christian Women -- I need your advice please.?
Leave him. You can't believe what he says. You're upholding your marriage vows, but he is not. You both made those vows. You deserve someone who will respect you as much as you respect them.
First, make sure you have the means to make it on your own. A good job, or if you are a stay at home wife, make sure you have stashed a good amount of money to get started with.
If not, and you decide to go back to the counselor, you'll have some time to get going on saving up a good amount of money in a PRIVATE (unknown to anyone else) stash. Every wife should do this, starting on Day 1 of her marriage.
You are never going to be able to know for sure whether your husband is telling the truth or not - now about all you can do is either wait a little longer and see what happens, or decide it's time to just move on with your life.
You DO have the right to be in a good marriage, in which both people love and respect each other and put each other first before themselves.
You have already done so much to try to save your marriage, but sometimes there comes a point when it's just not going to be saved - only you will know when that point is reached.
God does not want us to remain in unhappy, adulterous marriages, that is not the goal of marriage as God laid it out in the bible, and it's a horrible way to live.
An adulterous marriage is neither a Christian marriage nor is it a sin to end to such a hurtful situation and move on with your life and find your true mate.
So it's up to you to decide to believe your husband or not, and if so then give it another good try and see how it goes. If you decide not to, then you have to make sure that you have your foundation in place to be able to take care of yourself and any other children you might have - someplace to live, an income and also a stash of back-up cash that no one else has access to for getting by until you have your feet on the ground.
In any case, you do deserve to have a loving, caring, compassionate, respectful marriage with someone who truly loves you with all their heart and would never think about doing something that would hurt you.
A man who truly loves you would rather poke his own eye out than cause you an ounce of pain. And of course this is how you will feel too if you really love someone. So don't settle for less.
You have my prayers. I would simply not be as gracious as you seem to be, so the only Person to offer you the best comfort in this situation is God. I hope you find trust in him again if that is what you want.
We know that marriage is honorable unto God. I would pray and ask God to uncover everthing that is done in secret. His eyes are in every place he beholds all things. Sometimes we can be deceived, but he never is. I would pray until it is revealed without a shadow of a doubt. While praying that he uncovers, I would also ask for the strength to handle whatevers come and for the wisdom to know what to do when it is revealed.
You both need to get back into counselling right away. Both to deal with your grief over your child and to address his distance issues.
At the very least, he needs to change his cel phone number and be forthright with this woman about not contacting him anymore.
I hope things work out for the two of you dear.
Blessings :)
Prayers offered. Losing a child is heart breaking I know. Has he had an opportunity to grieve his loss. Its Pastor time there is more to this than he said she said. You can get text message records from the cell service to double check. Also request him to change the number and or report her for stalking.If he resists something could be up. Peace
From a therapist's point of view the answer is all about ';transparency.'; If a cheating spouse is willing to call the other woman with you on the other end of the line and tell her that she has completely misunderstood his intentions, that is a great start. Then if he consistently tells you where he will be, when he will come back, show up when he says and answer all your questions, you have a pretty good idea that he is being honest. If a spouse becomes a secret-keeper, that is the surest indicator that the problem still exists. Sometimes spouses get a little defensive; the loss of your baby, the frustration of never feeling trusted, the need for a little privacy can cause some defensive behavior that is understandable. If you explain in a kind and loving way that you are just trying to make the marriage work and that transparency will help you rebuild your relationship, this allows the spouse to calm down and open up. If you can't get transparency, you should be concerned.
This counsel is generic, but the concepts are consistently true. When a cheating spouse gives his/her spouse access to email, cell phone records, always reports if he/she ever has contact (hopefully accidently) with past relationship individual, answers questions, trust rebuilds with surprising speed. Then both spouses can relax and enjoy each other much sooner.
D
I think that you should go see the counselor, then find an attorney, and get tested for social diseases. This man is lying to her to be with her, and lying to you to keep you around. Confront him, let him lie or tell you the truth, and then work on helping yourself.
Amazing how women always throw themselves at poor, innocent married men......
Enough cynicism. I am so so sorry about your child. There is nothing worse. I will pray for your healing; I hope that you can find resolution with your husband
I'm not a Christian, but I've offered thoughts and prayers for you.
As far as what to do, I might consider getting the wise counsel of a pastor, or the pastor's wife, if she is a woman that you can trust. Perhaps you could all meet together to discuss these things.
As far as contacting the woman who sent the text messages, it is unlikely that she is a person you can trust to tell you the truth. If she is still interested in your husband, she might tell you anything to cause you and him to break up. She might still be hanging onto the hope that he will leave you. Your husband may be telling you the truth.
Having lost a child so recently, it stands to reason that your husband is acing strangely. Men do not have the resources to deal with grief that women typically do. With this wound so fresh, both of you might benefit from some sort of grief counseling.
Death is tragic, but if it is handled well, and together, it needn't be a wedge in your relationship, but rather something that could bond you closer having gone through it.
Find people who can offer wise counsel and work through these things. If, at some point, you find that you are simply unable to trust your husband, then perhaps it is time to recognize that you never really had something that could stand the trials of a marriage in the first place. If you must separate, it's best to do so without anger. Simply realize that what you had couldn't have worked because you aren't compatible. Remember though, that you shared some beautiful things together, and that the love that you felt is still real. I think it's probably too early to decide that right now though.
I went through this about a year ago when I found out my husband was toying with the idea of pursuing someone who had been pursuing him. I just prayed my heart out and asked God for guidance and strength. He gave me visions of where to find him, what to do and what was going to happen. I know he doesn't work the same in anyone, so just wait till he speaks to you. Ask God who is being honest, this lady or your husband. You must stick to your wedding vows, as hard as this is, your reward is in heaven not here on earth. That was very hard fo rme but I jst kept telling myself that this life is only temporary and my reawrd will come when I know I upheld a promise to my spouse AND GOD, which by the way is way more important. I know your heart is hurt and it seems like it is never going to be right, but it will. I chose to stay and we just celebrated our 10th anniversary, even though we are still very young, 27%26amp;28. I love him to pieces, it still hurts when I think about it but I know the hurt will slowly fade away. Remember, through HIM all things are possible. We also went to a marraige retreat from ';A weekend to Remember'; that really helped alot. One of the couples speaking had lost a son and it was a hard decision to stay together, so they have a strong testimony. Google it if you think you might be interested, it is relatively inexpensive. I will most definitely pray for you and the wisdom to make to right choices pleasing to God, not the world or the flesh!! God Bless!!!
I am sorry for your loss, heaven got a bit richer that day I believe. If your heart belongs to Jesus you will see your baby again, for eternity to be exact!
I am so sorry for your terrible loss. I have also lost a child. The pain is indescribable. I have already prayed for you.
You and your husband will need more counseling. This crisis will bring out the worst in both of you as soon as the grief sets in. If your relationship has not been restored to a level of trust, this could end it. I hope only the best for you.
One last note: Lean on the Lord more fully than you ever have. If you will try to eliminate bitterness, and trust Him completely, He will heal you, I promise. I have been there.
Please protect yourself. See the counsellor that you saw previously and tell him this newest development. Cell phone messages don't ';lie';. Also talk to an attorney. He has proven that you can't believe what he says.
I've always thought that cheating in a relationship is a deal breaker. I guess both of you are having rough times, losing a child is something beyond of what I know, I can't even imagine the pain. But that still wouldn't be an excuse to betray someone you love and with whom you took vows, in any case, it should have brought you closer. Both of you should have been there for each other.
It seems you need to talk to him in depth, find out the truth one way or the other, and do what's best for you. To make anybody else happy, you need to be happy first.
I am so sorry for your loss. And I am sorry for your current situation. It is so easy for us to offer advise. But you must remember that advise you get here is from those who do not know you or your husband. Please take it with a grain of salt and weigh it prayerfully.
My first impression was to suggest you dump this guy like yesterday's dishwater. But what if he's telling the truth?
And yet, what if the other woman was telling the truth? I know these are the very questions you are asking yourself tonight and I am sorry.
Do you have other children? You said he has pulled away a lot.
May I ask if he has been supportive of you since you lost your child? Has he been compassionate and gentle with you? Has he wept and prayed with you and shared your grief?
If not I would seriously evaluate his commitment to you. It may be time to start over, just you and God. You have to do what you feel in God and what is best for you. Not always easy. But you owe it to yourself to seek His will and allow Him to lead you.
You're both going though a tough time right now with the loss of your child. But it does not give him the green light to dishonor you that way. You both need to sit down and figure this one out to together. Tell him to his face to stop lying to you.
You deserve better from him. Ask him what he wants. Then then tell him to call what's her face in front of you and tell her that he loves you and it's over. Then you're going to have to find it in your heart to forgive him. He's going to have to understand it's going to take a while for you to trust him again. Then work on it together with maybe the help of a marriage counselor.
Good luck...
I am so sorry for the loss of your child. Although it is not an ';excuse'; for adultery, it may be a factor as to how the enemy/satan has gotten back in to have another ';go'; at your husband.
See, the enemy already knows that your husband's weak spot is adultery. While your husband is home, place your hand on his arm or shoulder and pray some Scripture dealing specifically with this issue.
Please get on the website of Rejoice Marriage Ministries. They offer daily free messages on line with Scripture to pray. They base their ministries exclusively on Scripture. I have met them and they are genuine. I am also met many couples who marriages have been restored by just one spouse praying intercessory prayer; they give God all the Glory for the miracle of restoration.
Since you are a Christian, what you are doing by ';standing in the gap'; and praying for him will bring the Lord great glory when your husband is ';released from satan's snare.'; Also, pray the ';armor of God'; (Ephesians) over yourself and your husband, daily, to protect against satan's attacks.
Women are strong prayer warriors, and you are fighting for something that God created, namely Marriage, which is a Covenant, not a contract. Your husband (nor the other woman) is the enemy, satan is. And satan is defeated by the Blood of Jesus Christ. God bless you, and I will be praying, too.
Some will tell you it's the devil creating all this drama.
I will tell you it's got NOTHING to do with faith or religion.
If your god is truly all loving and forgiving as your book says, do you think he would really want you to suffer a loveless marriage?
For once think about YOU.
HE has already broken those vows he 'swore before god'. Aparently your god hasn't struck him dead for it.
HE has no sense of honor, no integrity.
See a lawyer, see your priest, pastor whatever.
Somebody once said ';who you gonna believe ME or YOUR lyin eyes?';
good luck.
i'm not a christian and i'm not a woman, but i am married and here's my advice: you need to talk to someone who can help you make the decision to try and save your marriage, presuming you still wish to, or how to dissolve it in the least damaging way. either way, if you suspect he's still cheating, he most likely is...good luck.
sorry your husband sounds like a jerk. have some Christian men from your church have a talk with him, fist to face so to speak, maybe that will wake him up.
Also remember to seek perfection not in your spouse but in Jesus Christ alone. God bless you.
Peter Gabriel
In your eyes
the light the heat
in your eyes
I am complete
in your eyes
I see the doorway to a thousand churches
in your eyes
the resolution of all the fruitless searches
in your eyes
I see the light and the heat
in your eyes
oh, I want to be that complete
I want to touch the light
the heat I see in your eyes
well, I am not a married woman, but I am a Woman of God, I will keep you in my prayers.
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Psalm 126:5-6 They that sow in tears shall reap in joy. Though he goeth on his way weeping, bearing forth the seed; he shall come again with joy, bringing his sheaves with him.
Father God, I am only a single lady - so I ask that You who know the hearts of these dear people - bring to them healing, comfort, and regenerated hearts who are wholly Yours.
Heal the broken heart of this dear woman and bring her husband to know Your will for his life... remove the other woman from their midst. Open the heart of this dear wife and show her Your will for her life also.
Bless them with Your presence, Lord. Only You can do what is needed. In Jesus' name, Amen.
Continue in the counseling first of all %26amp; she could have been lying. If she is bitter about being dumped, she could have done it on purpose %26amp; lied when you called.
I'm not saying he is innocent, just be aware that sometimes things are not always what they appear %26amp; he is your mate.
Make sure you talk to him in a neutral place, like going somewhere for the weekend. This way there is no feeling of advantage in where you are %26amp; it is harder to run away from the topic if the two of you are away for the weekend.
Instead of starting a sentence with you never or you always do..... try I feel........ Remove the wording that attacks %26amp; causes him to put up defenses %26amp; walls. Most men have a problem talking from the heart when they feel they are already condemned.
Again, Christian counseling is a biggie!!
I prayed right now for you,and I'm sorry for your loss.
if she's texting him and he wants nothing to do with her then he won't mind getting his phone # changed and deleting her number outta his cell ,if he puts up a fight over it he may be up to no good. tell him you love him and need his help to get over your loss, only he %26amp; you can understand what your going thru and I pray things work out for you...God bless
I would give you same advice as Deirdre--very sound counsel from her. I'm very sorry about the loss of your child, I will pray for both you and your husband. ..for God's strength and comfort, and for the total restoration of your marriage. God bless you.
Even if you want to stay married you still need to set some boundaries. You can stay married to him, but you do not need to remain with him during this time. Tell him this behaviour is unacceptable. Tell him to break off all contact and resume counseling. He should also consider a sex addicts group. Explain to him that if he wants you in his home doing what you do (working, cooking, washing his sox, whatever) he needs to abide by your terms. He cannot continue to see other women and expect you to remain if he is not willing to make a change- move out. Let him know that you are serious.
New Life christian counseling service can offer you some great advice in this type of situation. http://www.newlife.com/
He's not honouring you at all.. :-(
Honor your vows. If he choses to leave let him.
Hire a private eye.
I'm so sorry that you lost the baby. This must be a very difficult time for you.
Although your husband has cheated on you, it sounds like your husband has admitted when he's been unfaithful. So, I'll give him credit for that bit of integrity. Is there any chance that this woman just doesn't want to let go because she is emotionally involved.
If he is serious that he's no longer involved with her...Is he willing to give up his cell phone number and keep it unlisted from her? I don't know what type of contract he has on his cell phone, but it may be a way to stop the relationship if it's just a case that she is the only one trying to continue the relationship.
I want to believe my husband and to uphold my marriage vows, but I don't want to be a doormat either. We just lost a child a little over a month ago and he has pulled away alot since then. I just don't know if I can believe what he says.
Do you have any advice for me? And if you can't offer advice, will you at least offer prayers?Married Christian Women -- I need your advice please.?
Drive you husband to a lawyer for him to obtain a restraining order against the other woman as according to him she is harassing him. See how he responds.Married Christian Women -- I need your advice please.?
Leave him. You can't believe what he says. You're upholding your marriage vows, but he is not. You both made those vows. You deserve someone who will respect you as much as you respect them.
First, make sure you have the means to make it on your own. A good job, or if you are a stay at home wife, make sure you have stashed a good amount of money to get started with.
If not, and you decide to go back to the counselor, you'll have some time to get going on saving up a good amount of money in a PRIVATE (unknown to anyone else) stash. Every wife should do this, starting on Day 1 of her marriage.
You are never going to be able to know for sure whether your husband is telling the truth or not - now about all you can do is either wait a little longer and see what happens, or decide it's time to just move on with your life.
You DO have the right to be in a good marriage, in which both people love and respect each other and put each other first before themselves.
You have already done so much to try to save your marriage, but sometimes there comes a point when it's just not going to be saved - only you will know when that point is reached.
God does not want us to remain in unhappy, adulterous marriages, that is not the goal of marriage as God laid it out in the bible, and it's a horrible way to live.
An adulterous marriage is neither a Christian marriage nor is it a sin to end to such a hurtful situation and move on with your life and find your true mate.
So it's up to you to decide to believe your husband or not, and if so then give it another good try and see how it goes. If you decide not to, then you have to make sure that you have your foundation in place to be able to take care of yourself and any other children you might have - someplace to live, an income and also a stash of back-up cash that no one else has access to for getting by until you have your feet on the ground.
In any case, you do deserve to have a loving, caring, compassionate, respectful marriage with someone who truly loves you with all their heart and would never think about doing something that would hurt you.
A man who truly loves you would rather poke his own eye out than cause you an ounce of pain. And of course this is how you will feel too if you really love someone. So don't settle for less.
You have my prayers. I would simply not be as gracious as you seem to be, so the only Person to offer you the best comfort in this situation is God. I hope you find trust in him again if that is what you want.
We know that marriage is honorable unto God. I would pray and ask God to uncover everthing that is done in secret. His eyes are in every place he beholds all things. Sometimes we can be deceived, but he never is. I would pray until it is revealed without a shadow of a doubt. While praying that he uncovers, I would also ask for the strength to handle whatevers come and for the wisdom to know what to do when it is revealed.
You both need to get back into counselling right away. Both to deal with your grief over your child and to address his distance issues.
At the very least, he needs to change his cel phone number and be forthright with this woman about not contacting him anymore.
I hope things work out for the two of you dear.
Blessings :)
Prayers offered. Losing a child is heart breaking I know. Has he had an opportunity to grieve his loss. Its Pastor time there is more to this than he said she said. You can get text message records from the cell service to double check. Also request him to change the number and or report her for stalking.If he resists something could be up. Peace
From a therapist's point of view the answer is all about ';transparency.'; If a cheating spouse is willing to call the other woman with you on the other end of the line and tell her that she has completely misunderstood his intentions, that is a great start. Then if he consistently tells you where he will be, when he will come back, show up when he says and answer all your questions, you have a pretty good idea that he is being honest. If a spouse becomes a secret-keeper, that is the surest indicator that the problem still exists. Sometimes spouses get a little defensive; the loss of your baby, the frustration of never feeling trusted, the need for a little privacy can cause some defensive behavior that is understandable. If you explain in a kind and loving way that you are just trying to make the marriage work and that transparency will help you rebuild your relationship, this allows the spouse to calm down and open up. If you can't get transparency, you should be concerned.
This counsel is generic, but the concepts are consistently true. When a cheating spouse gives his/her spouse access to email, cell phone records, always reports if he/she ever has contact (hopefully accidently) with past relationship individual, answers questions, trust rebuilds with surprising speed. Then both spouses can relax and enjoy each other much sooner.
D
I think that you should go see the counselor, then find an attorney, and get tested for social diseases. This man is lying to her to be with her, and lying to you to keep you around. Confront him, let him lie or tell you the truth, and then work on helping yourself.
Amazing how women always throw themselves at poor, innocent married men......
Enough cynicism. I am so so sorry about your child. There is nothing worse. I will pray for your healing; I hope that you can find resolution with your husband
I'm not a Christian, but I've offered thoughts and prayers for you.
As far as what to do, I might consider getting the wise counsel of a pastor, or the pastor's wife, if she is a woman that you can trust. Perhaps you could all meet together to discuss these things.
As far as contacting the woman who sent the text messages, it is unlikely that she is a person you can trust to tell you the truth. If she is still interested in your husband, she might tell you anything to cause you and him to break up. She might still be hanging onto the hope that he will leave you. Your husband may be telling you the truth.
Having lost a child so recently, it stands to reason that your husband is acing strangely. Men do not have the resources to deal with grief that women typically do. With this wound so fresh, both of you might benefit from some sort of grief counseling.
Death is tragic, but if it is handled well, and together, it needn't be a wedge in your relationship, but rather something that could bond you closer having gone through it.
Find people who can offer wise counsel and work through these things. If, at some point, you find that you are simply unable to trust your husband, then perhaps it is time to recognize that you never really had something that could stand the trials of a marriage in the first place. If you must separate, it's best to do so without anger. Simply realize that what you had couldn't have worked because you aren't compatible. Remember though, that you shared some beautiful things together, and that the love that you felt is still real. I think it's probably too early to decide that right now though.
I went through this about a year ago when I found out my husband was toying with the idea of pursuing someone who had been pursuing him. I just prayed my heart out and asked God for guidance and strength. He gave me visions of where to find him, what to do and what was going to happen. I know he doesn't work the same in anyone, so just wait till he speaks to you. Ask God who is being honest, this lady or your husband. You must stick to your wedding vows, as hard as this is, your reward is in heaven not here on earth. That was very hard fo rme but I jst kept telling myself that this life is only temporary and my reawrd will come when I know I upheld a promise to my spouse AND GOD, which by the way is way more important. I know your heart is hurt and it seems like it is never going to be right, but it will. I chose to stay and we just celebrated our 10th anniversary, even though we are still very young, 27%26amp;28. I love him to pieces, it still hurts when I think about it but I know the hurt will slowly fade away. Remember, through HIM all things are possible. We also went to a marraige retreat from ';A weekend to Remember'; that really helped alot. One of the couples speaking had lost a son and it was a hard decision to stay together, so they have a strong testimony. Google it if you think you might be interested, it is relatively inexpensive. I will most definitely pray for you and the wisdom to make to right choices pleasing to God, not the world or the flesh!! God Bless!!!
I am sorry for your loss, heaven got a bit richer that day I believe. If your heart belongs to Jesus you will see your baby again, for eternity to be exact!
I am so sorry for your terrible loss. I have also lost a child. The pain is indescribable. I have already prayed for you.
You and your husband will need more counseling. This crisis will bring out the worst in both of you as soon as the grief sets in. If your relationship has not been restored to a level of trust, this could end it. I hope only the best for you.
One last note: Lean on the Lord more fully than you ever have. If you will try to eliminate bitterness, and trust Him completely, He will heal you, I promise. I have been there.
Please protect yourself. See the counsellor that you saw previously and tell him this newest development. Cell phone messages don't ';lie';. Also talk to an attorney. He has proven that you can't believe what he says.
I've always thought that cheating in a relationship is a deal breaker. I guess both of you are having rough times, losing a child is something beyond of what I know, I can't even imagine the pain. But that still wouldn't be an excuse to betray someone you love and with whom you took vows, in any case, it should have brought you closer. Both of you should have been there for each other.
It seems you need to talk to him in depth, find out the truth one way or the other, and do what's best for you. To make anybody else happy, you need to be happy first.
I am so sorry for your loss. And I am sorry for your current situation. It is so easy for us to offer advise. But you must remember that advise you get here is from those who do not know you or your husband. Please take it with a grain of salt and weigh it prayerfully.
My first impression was to suggest you dump this guy like yesterday's dishwater. But what if he's telling the truth?
And yet, what if the other woman was telling the truth? I know these are the very questions you are asking yourself tonight and I am sorry.
Do you have other children? You said he has pulled away a lot.
May I ask if he has been supportive of you since you lost your child? Has he been compassionate and gentle with you? Has he wept and prayed with you and shared your grief?
If not I would seriously evaluate his commitment to you. It may be time to start over, just you and God. You have to do what you feel in God and what is best for you. Not always easy. But you owe it to yourself to seek His will and allow Him to lead you.
You're both going though a tough time right now with the loss of your child. But it does not give him the green light to dishonor you that way. You both need to sit down and figure this one out to together. Tell him to his face to stop lying to you.
You deserve better from him. Ask him what he wants. Then then tell him to call what's her face in front of you and tell her that he loves you and it's over. Then you're going to have to find it in your heart to forgive him. He's going to have to understand it's going to take a while for you to trust him again. Then work on it together with maybe the help of a marriage counselor.
Good luck...
I am so sorry for the loss of your child. Although it is not an ';excuse'; for adultery, it may be a factor as to how the enemy/satan has gotten back in to have another ';go'; at your husband.
See, the enemy already knows that your husband's weak spot is adultery. While your husband is home, place your hand on his arm or shoulder and pray some Scripture dealing specifically with this issue.
Please get on the website of Rejoice Marriage Ministries. They offer daily free messages on line with Scripture to pray. They base their ministries exclusively on Scripture. I have met them and they are genuine. I am also met many couples who marriages have been restored by just one spouse praying intercessory prayer; they give God all the Glory for the miracle of restoration.
Since you are a Christian, what you are doing by ';standing in the gap'; and praying for him will bring the Lord great glory when your husband is ';released from satan's snare.'; Also, pray the ';armor of God'; (Ephesians) over yourself and your husband, daily, to protect against satan's attacks.
Women are strong prayer warriors, and you are fighting for something that God created, namely Marriage, which is a Covenant, not a contract. Your husband (nor the other woman) is the enemy, satan is. And satan is defeated by the Blood of Jesus Christ. God bless you, and I will be praying, too.
Some will tell you it's the devil creating all this drama.
I will tell you it's got NOTHING to do with faith or religion.
If your god is truly all loving and forgiving as your book says, do you think he would really want you to suffer a loveless marriage?
For once think about YOU.
HE has already broken those vows he 'swore before god'. Aparently your god hasn't struck him dead for it.
HE has no sense of honor, no integrity.
See a lawyer, see your priest, pastor whatever.
Somebody once said ';who you gonna believe ME or YOUR lyin eyes?';
good luck.
i'm not a christian and i'm not a woman, but i am married and here's my advice: you need to talk to someone who can help you make the decision to try and save your marriage, presuming you still wish to, or how to dissolve it in the least damaging way. either way, if you suspect he's still cheating, he most likely is...good luck.
sorry your husband sounds like a jerk. have some Christian men from your church have a talk with him, fist to face so to speak, maybe that will wake him up.
Also remember to seek perfection not in your spouse but in Jesus Christ alone. God bless you.
Peter Gabriel
In your eyes
the light the heat
in your eyes
I am complete
in your eyes
I see the doorway to a thousand churches
in your eyes
the resolution of all the fruitless searches
in your eyes
I see the light and the heat
in your eyes
oh, I want to be that complete
I want to touch the light
the heat I see in your eyes
well, I am not a married woman, but I am a Woman of God, I will keep you in my prayers.
hi,Very serious I want to get married email erdemak2021@yahoo.com
erdemak2021@hotmail.com
Psalm 126:5-6 They that sow in tears shall reap in joy. Though he goeth on his way weeping, bearing forth the seed; he shall come again with joy, bringing his sheaves with him.
Father God, I am only a single lady - so I ask that You who know the hearts of these dear people - bring to them healing, comfort, and regenerated hearts who are wholly Yours.
Heal the broken heart of this dear woman and bring her husband to know Your will for his life... remove the other woman from their midst. Open the heart of this dear wife and show her Your will for her life also.
Bless them with Your presence, Lord. Only You can do what is needed. In Jesus' name, Amen.
Continue in the counseling first of all %26amp; she could have been lying. If she is bitter about being dumped, she could have done it on purpose %26amp; lied when you called.
I'm not saying he is innocent, just be aware that sometimes things are not always what they appear %26amp; he is your mate.
Make sure you talk to him in a neutral place, like going somewhere for the weekend. This way there is no feeling of advantage in where you are %26amp; it is harder to run away from the topic if the two of you are away for the weekend.
Instead of starting a sentence with you never or you always do..... try I feel........ Remove the wording that attacks %26amp; causes him to put up defenses %26amp; walls. Most men have a problem talking from the heart when they feel they are already condemned.
Again, Christian counseling is a biggie!!
I prayed right now for you,and I'm sorry for your loss.
if she's texting him and he wants nothing to do with her then he won't mind getting his phone # changed and deleting her number outta his cell ,if he puts up a fight over it he may be up to no good. tell him you love him and need his help to get over your loss, only he %26amp; you can understand what your going thru and I pray things work out for you...God bless
I would give you same advice as Deirdre--very sound counsel from her. I'm very sorry about the loss of your child, I will pray for both you and your husband. ..for God's strength and comfort, and for the total restoration of your marriage. God bless you.
Even if you want to stay married you still need to set some boundaries. You can stay married to him, but you do not need to remain with him during this time. Tell him this behaviour is unacceptable. Tell him to break off all contact and resume counseling. He should also consider a sex addicts group. Explain to him that if he wants you in his home doing what you do (working, cooking, washing his sox, whatever) he needs to abide by your terms. He cannot continue to see other women and expect you to remain if he is not willing to make a change- move out. Let him know that you are serious.
New Life christian counseling service can offer you some great advice in this type of situation. http://www.newlife.com/
He's not honouring you at all.. :-(
Honor your vows. If he choses to leave let him.
Hire a private eye.
I'm so sorry that you lost the baby. This must be a very difficult time for you.
Although your husband has cheated on you, it sounds like your husband has admitted when he's been unfaithful. So, I'll give him credit for that bit of integrity. Is there any chance that this woman just doesn't want to let go because she is emotionally involved.
If he is serious that he's no longer involved with her...Is he willing to give up his cell phone number and keep it unlisted from her? I don't know what type of contract he has on his cell phone, but it may be a way to stop the relationship if it's just a case that she is the only one trying to continue the relationship.
I am an atheist...in love with a Christian. I know this can work. What advice would you offer??
Please, no smart answers. I'm serious about him.I am an atheist...in love with a Christian. I know this can work. What advice would you offer??
respect each other's belief systems and discuss ahead of time what the children are going to be taught until they reach the age where they can decide what path they are going to follow. be totally honest and open with each other as this is the only way any relationship can work. GOOD LUCKI am an atheist...in love with a Christian. I know this can work. What advice would you offer??
Be supportive and understanding. Don't try to change his thinking to yours. That's the advice I'd give anyone.
';Respect';
It rather depends what sort of Christian he is. Most people are way more reasonable about their beliefs than those posting here, however if he is fundamentalist or evangelical then I don't think it could work.
It's hard to make it work. My husband believes in God, but is not a Christian. I would not be able to live in the same house as ';true Christian';.
hmmm hard 1
1 question why are u an athist?
e-mail me
If you want him to be true to what he believes is rights, you must realize that he should not marry you: the Bible forbids it. If you love him that much, maybe you should look into his faith for yourself.
EDIT: fourmorebeer is right in saying that many people who call themselves Christians would not worry about marrying a non-believers. You guys can continue to give me all the thumbs-down you want, but it is a fact that the Bible forbids such a marriage, and thus it is a fact that if you want to marry someone who is true to his convictions, he is going to need to examine them and see if he truly does believe enough to obey the Bible.
When I first met my husband, he told me he was a ';card-carrying church member.'; I am an atheist. That was almost the end of the not-yet-relationship, but I really liked him so went out with him anyway. We got married a couple of years later, and he had only gone to church a couple of times during that time, but he was still a believer.
I never pressured him or even really talked about religion with him, but gradually he just stopped believing. By the time we had kids, he had no interest in trying to teach them Christianity, which I had agreed he could do if he wanted to. (But I made it clear right away that I was NOT going to try to teach them something I did not believe; I just would not try to undercut his teachings out of respect but would answer their questions honestly.)
We've been married 37 years.
Good luck! It may not work for everyone, but it has for us.
I'm not sure why he is serious about you, though. I mean, differences in religion can be worked through, but this isn't a difference, it's a contradiction.
If you do end up together, please consider the impact of your relationship on any possible children.
Does the Christian know how you feel? Have you thought about attending church with him to check out if there actually IS something to his faith or not? The Bible does forbid a Christian from marrying a non Christian, and since you haven't mentioned his intentions, it's hard to give further advice.
Good luck and God bless, sweetie!
If you both RESPECT each others belief, or non-belief, it will work. My husband is Agnostic and I'm an Atheist. We will have discussions about religion and God, but neither one of us pressures each other to conform to one another's beliefs.
If he truelly loves you, he will understand and accept that you do not believe in God. Vice versa for you.
However, you all should have a talk if it begins to get serious about your children. My husband and I both agreed that we would bring our children up to choose what they want to do. If they want to be Christian, that's fine. If they want to be Jewish, that's fine. If they want to be an Atheist, that's fine too. You should have those talks now before things get too serious and it ends up in a huge battle of beliefs.
It will work out if you both have an open-mind and respect each other.
Also, don't be swayed by people stating that the Bible forbids Christians from marrying non-believers. In most cases, in most churches, they have adapted because they realize that there will be inter-faith and inter-belief marriages. They have accepted it.
Oh, if he's a man, no problem. You can wise him up.
It's been my experience that women are far less willing to drop their religion for the sake of a loved one.
Just withhold the you know what from him for a month or so, and he'll start to see the light. :)fashion makeup
respect each other's belief systems and discuss ahead of time what the children are going to be taught until they reach the age where they can decide what path they are going to follow. be totally honest and open with each other as this is the only way any relationship can work. GOOD LUCKI am an atheist...in love with a Christian. I know this can work. What advice would you offer??
Be supportive and understanding. Don't try to change his thinking to yours. That's the advice I'd give anyone.
';Respect';
It rather depends what sort of Christian he is. Most people are way more reasonable about their beliefs than those posting here, however if he is fundamentalist or evangelical then I don't think it could work.
It's hard to make it work. My husband believes in God, but is not a Christian. I would not be able to live in the same house as ';true Christian';.
hmmm hard 1
1 question why are u an athist?
e-mail me
If you want him to be true to what he believes is rights, you must realize that he should not marry you: the Bible forbids it. If you love him that much, maybe you should look into his faith for yourself.
EDIT: fourmorebeer is right in saying that many people who call themselves Christians would not worry about marrying a non-believers. You guys can continue to give me all the thumbs-down you want, but it is a fact that the Bible forbids such a marriage, and thus it is a fact that if you want to marry someone who is true to his convictions, he is going to need to examine them and see if he truly does believe enough to obey the Bible.
When I first met my husband, he told me he was a ';card-carrying church member.'; I am an atheist. That was almost the end of the not-yet-relationship, but I really liked him so went out with him anyway. We got married a couple of years later, and he had only gone to church a couple of times during that time, but he was still a believer.
I never pressured him or even really talked about religion with him, but gradually he just stopped believing. By the time we had kids, he had no interest in trying to teach them Christianity, which I had agreed he could do if he wanted to. (But I made it clear right away that I was NOT going to try to teach them something I did not believe; I just would not try to undercut his teachings out of respect but would answer their questions honestly.)
We've been married 37 years.
Good luck! It may not work for everyone, but it has for us.
I'm not sure why he is serious about you, though. I mean, differences in religion can be worked through, but this isn't a difference, it's a contradiction.
If you do end up together, please consider the impact of your relationship on any possible children.
Does the Christian know how you feel? Have you thought about attending church with him to check out if there actually IS something to his faith or not? The Bible does forbid a Christian from marrying a non Christian, and since you haven't mentioned his intentions, it's hard to give further advice.
Good luck and God bless, sweetie!
If you both RESPECT each others belief, or non-belief, it will work. My husband is Agnostic and I'm an Atheist. We will have discussions about religion and God, but neither one of us pressures each other to conform to one another's beliefs.
If he truelly loves you, he will understand and accept that you do not believe in God. Vice versa for you.
However, you all should have a talk if it begins to get serious about your children. My husband and I both agreed that we would bring our children up to choose what they want to do. If they want to be Christian, that's fine. If they want to be Jewish, that's fine. If they want to be an Atheist, that's fine too. You should have those talks now before things get too serious and it ends up in a huge battle of beliefs.
It will work out if you both have an open-mind and respect each other.
Also, don't be swayed by people stating that the Bible forbids Christians from marrying non-believers. In most cases, in most churches, they have adapted because they realize that there will be inter-faith and inter-belief marriages. They have accepted it.
Oh, if he's a man, no problem. You can wise him up.
It's been my experience that women are far less willing to drop their religion for the sake of a loved one.
Just withhold the you know what from him for a month or so, and he'll start to see the light. :)
Christian parents of a lesbian daughter ... advice please?
My father and mother and both Christian, as am I and my sister. My sister has been having an affair with a married woman for the last 2 years and came out to my parents a few months ago. They (and I) are trying to be supportive and love her, along side not agreeing with her behaviour ... not least of which because, whether it's a gay relationship or not, it is an adulterous relationship and there are teenage children involved. They can never come out to most of their friends, her children, or anyone from their church as most are very strict evangelical (where, it would appear, forgiveness and love are not the main preaching!!!) and so there's the additional fear of them having to live such a stressful secretive life. It's just all one big mess, whether it's straight, gay, or pink with purple spots - it's just a flippin mess!!!!
Mess aside, do you know any books that may be helpful to my parents on how best to minister to my sister, how to support and guide people in homosexual relationships or, especially, any books written by Christian parents on how they have been able to cope with the knowledge they have a gay/lesbian child and how God has helped?
Christian parents of a lesbian daughter ... advice please?
There is a spirit behind homosexuality. That's where the problem lies.
The bible says:
';For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.'; (Ephesians 6:12)
If I were you I would declare war on the enemy!
Come together with your parents and start a consecration fast. There are great books out there to teach you how to fast, and the spiritual results when you fast.
Come together in prayer. Seek the Lord. He knows exactly what to do. Find out how many days fast does He want you to do.
Fasting and prayer are a power couple. Where there is fasting and prayer, the chains are broken.
Stand in the gap for your sister through prayer and fasting as a family and break the demonic stronghold over your sister.
Love her in the meanwhile, but war against the enemy.
The Lord will honor your efforts to set your sister free and He will answer your prayers concerning her. He is a good God. He will step in for you and free your sister completely.
Not only that, He will restore your families and what the devil meant to destroy you, He will turn it around to bless you.
Just wait and see!
Heavenly Father,
I lift up this family in prayer. Lord, I pray that you will be with them in this time of need. Lord you see the enemy's tactics to destroy this family and I pray that You would step in and thwart the enemy's plans against them. I declare that they are the head and not the tail, above only and not beneath. I declare that whom the Son sets free is free indeed. Their sister shall be free by the redeeming power of the blood of Jesus.
Lord you died to set the captives free, so I thank You that you will show Yourself to be strong in this family so that You may be glorified.
For yours is the power and the honor and the glory forever and ever. In Jesus mighty name. Amen!
Be blessed :)
Christian parents of a lesbian daughter ... advice please?
If the parents don't love their daughter as a lesbian, then they do not love her at all. Their only concern, in as far as her sexuality goes, should be the affair with a married woman, not a relationship with women, in general.
you dont need a book. homosexuality is a natural thing, theres nothing wrong with it. b/c of their age, it might be nearly impossible for your parents to understand your sister's choice in being gay b/c they do not understand it. my advice to you is to watch the film ';but im a cheerleader.'; it may put things in perspective for them.
adultery and those creating the adultery is wrong.. there are children involved that can get destroyed if a family is broken up by affairs..
and I always think that if someone is willing to cheat on a spouse for you, then what does that say about that person? they are non commital.. I wouldnt want a person that is willing to upset their home and cheat on a spouse and ruin a family life, home, etc..
if they cheat on #1 spouse. they will cheat on you (sis) later.. tell your sis that..
I feel very sorry for your Parents as it is a Dilemma.I am glad that they are still loving her and have not turned their back on her as that would make her more determined to act the way she is. I would suggest that Your Parents have a word with your Priest or Vicar and do not be Ashamed as you would be Surprised at the things they deal with every day
With the complication of marriage, it's not really only about being Lesbian.
But remember what Christ said, ';Love one another';. Other than that, what is there to understand? Your sister doesn't mind cheating with someone who doesn't mind cheating.
Sadly, what evangelicals produce is concupiscence.
His Grace will have mercy, and not sacrifice
which multiplies peace, and not confusion.
Grace + Mercy = Peace.
Grace + Sacrifice = Confusion.
God is not the author of confusion, but of peace.
Noahic grace + law is not the same as JC grace + truth.
The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.
This has absolutely nothing to do with your sister's sexuality -- this is about your sister being an unconscionable homewrecker.
THAT is the salient point, and the thing you need to call her on.
Disagreeing with any behavior is fine, but even if you disagree with lesbianism, you must still love your daughter as a lesbian. It goes with all my gay, atheists etc. friends: I love them for being that way.
I can not find anything in the Bible about lesbians, so it might not be a sin. The fact that she is with a married woman can also not be adultery. There must be a male involved.
My advice would be for them to seize this opportunity to drop religion altogether and concentrate on real life.
ever tried spanking?
God says, ';don't do it.'; God says ';it is an abomination.';
Read Scripture Leviticus 18:22 %26amp; 20:13
Romans 1:25-27
Jude 1:7
1 Corinthians 6:9
Your sister can quit seeing this woman and she can quit having sex with women. We can all abstain from sex. No where in the human anatomy does it say that we must have sex. Older homosexuals seduce younger people and once the young person has committed the act and enjoyed sex they think they are homosexuals. What your sister has done is opened herself up to evil. The battlefield is in the mind. Sex is in the mind. She needs to cleanse her mind from this sexual act and rewire her brain. God gave us the Word of God and when we belong to the Lord we have the power to overcome this evil.
Sin is always ';just one big mess.'; Whenever we go against the will of God and disobey the Lord, we end up in ';ONE BIG MESS.';
Edit: This is for Midnight who thinks Scripture is vague, when it isn't.
Leviticus 18:22,23 KJV
';Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind, it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.';
Leviticus 20:13 KJV
';If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them hae committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.';
Romans 1:24-27
';Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through, the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves. Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause, God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another: men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet (due).
Jude 1:7
';Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.';
Genesis 19:4%26amp;5 The wickedness of the men of Sodom
';But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter; And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.';
';We may know them'; is referring to having sex with someone.
2 Peter 2:6-8 explains Sodom further.
1 Corinthians 6:9 KJV
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,';
The King James Bible is not distorted as are the new translations which uphold man's views. One cannot read the King James and misunderstand and say that homosexuality is okay. God says ';don't do it.'; God says homosexuality is a depraved mind and it is an abomination to Him.
The best thing they and you can do is to actually STUDY the verses of the Bible that are used to condem homosexuality. Study the original translations which use the word effeminate, and the original texts that use the word malakos.... Neither of which mean homosexuality.
When you study the verses from the original translations and the original texts... You find that the Bible never specifically condems homosexuality. The most direct verse is Leviticus, which is also vague. But even if you use the Leviticus verse, that means that you also have to be eating kosher and making animal sacrifices and all kinds of other crap that most people do not do today. Some people believe that all of these verses are talking about male prostistutes, not homosexuality.
You should also read Dean Hamer who is a genetist and talks about the genetic differences of most gay people.
It's wonderful that your parents are handling this difficult situation so well. Many Christians have drawn the line here. I can't help but be proud to see that some are able to live the love of God when it really counts.
Perhaps they may be able to find a christian support group (that uses discretion) along these lines. I went digging online for a book geared for what you're looking for and couldn't find a thing. Perhaps your parents are breaking new ground for parents in the future.
I do know that prayer is powerful. James 1:5 tells us to ask for wisdom and God will give it generously. Painfully aware that I couldn't raise my children without alot of God's help, for years I have been asking for wisdom. God does help us through unimaginable problems.
Have your parents plainly stated how they feel about both issues? And how it makes them feel? I think that they have been so focused on not alienating their daughter that they may have forgotten that they have feelings too. And they have a right to these feelings. They don't have to vent at her, perhaps they can do that in their prayer closet, or together in privacy, another creative way like writing it out and burning it in an ashtray. But they need to communicate as gently as possible how she is making them feel or I'm concerned that your sister will continue to take advantage of your parents patience to the point that they may break.
And they may already know this, but it doesn't hurt to be reminded sometimes. Have they forgiven her? Are they continuing to do so? It takes work, I know, but it's vital for their well-being to not let it pile up on them.
I'll be praying for your family. Don't forget, God doesn't allow anything that we can't handle. His grace is sufficient for you. Hang in there, I know that your family can get through this and be stronger on the other side.
All that should be addressed here is the fact that the relationship she's in might destroy the relationship of a family. It shouldn't have anything to do with her being a lesbian. And this part: ';how they have been able to cope with the knowledge they have a gay/lesbian child.'; It's completely stupid. Your child's sexual orientation isn't something that you should need to cope with. Okay, she's attracted to people of the same gender, big whoop. She's still their child. They loved her before and should continue to feel the same way towards her. The only reason they might feel different should be because of her helping someone have an affair.
Christ teaches we should love even the abominable BUT NOT the disgusting ACTS so you must tell her to get straight with Christ before she is burned.
Homosex is filth in the eyes of God. Even Hitler treated homos with disgust, where do you think he got that idea form?
Even Islam hates homosex.
There has to be something to it...homos are lucky to live in a liberal country otherwise they would be treated like the murderers and thieves they are.
Sin is sin. Being a homo is like being a pedo or murderer, but the POLITICALLTY CORRECT Athiest rabble are up in arms trying to 'protect' the rights of these criminals in the eyes of God.
What next, athiest 'protecting' pedos and rapists and murderers?
Here's an idea, why not just accept her for who she is?
If you are a Christian as you claim you must tell her to repent of her sin. You should love here, yes, but you can't support her decision to engage in homosexual sex.
%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;most are very strict evangelical (where, it would appear, forgiveness and love are not the main preaching!!!) %26lt;%26lt;%26lt;
Untrue. Evangelical preach love and forgiveness. We love everyone.
God does not forgive until there is repentance. Repentance is asking for forgiveness for sin and turning from that sin. A homosexual will never recieve forgiveness until he turns from his homosexual lifestyle. God loves everyone but hates sin.
Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;how to support and guide people in homosexual relationships %26lt;%26lt;%26lt;
Anyone who supports sin is NOT a Christian.
Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Mess aside, do you know any books that may be helpful to my parents on how best to minister to my sister, how to support and guide people in homosexual relationships or, especially, any books written by Christian parents on how they have been able to cope with the knowledge they have a gay/lesbian child and how God has helped?
Christian parents of a lesbian daughter ... advice please?
There is a spirit behind homosexuality. That's where the problem lies.
The bible says:
';For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.'; (Ephesians 6:12)
If I were you I would declare war on the enemy!
Come together with your parents and start a consecration fast. There are great books out there to teach you how to fast, and the spiritual results when you fast.
Come together in prayer. Seek the Lord. He knows exactly what to do. Find out how many days fast does He want you to do.
Fasting and prayer are a power couple. Where there is fasting and prayer, the chains are broken.
Stand in the gap for your sister through prayer and fasting as a family and break the demonic stronghold over your sister.
Love her in the meanwhile, but war against the enemy.
The Lord will honor your efforts to set your sister free and He will answer your prayers concerning her. He is a good God. He will step in for you and free your sister completely.
Not only that, He will restore your families and what the devil meant to destroy you, He will turn it around to bless you.
Just wait and see!
Heavenly Father,
I lift up this family in prayer. Lord, I pray that you will be with them in this time of need. Lord you see the enemy's tactics to destroy this family and I pray that You would step in and thwart the enemy's plans against them. I declare that they are the head and not the tail, above only and not beneath. I declare that whom the Son sets free is free indeed. Their sister shall be free by the redeeming power of the blood of Jesus.
Lord you died to set the captives free, so I thank You that you will show Yourself to be strong in this family so that You may be glorified.
For yours is the power and the honor and the glory forever and ever. In Jesus mighty name. Amen!
Be blessed :)
Christian parents of a lesbian daughter ... advice please?
If the parents don't love their daughter as a lesbian, then they do not love her at all. Their only concern, in as far as her sexuality goes, should be the affair with a married woman, not a relationship with women, in general.
you dont need a book. homosexuality is a natural thing, theres nothing wrong with it. b/c of their age, it might be nearly impossible for your parents to understand your sister's choice in being gay b/c they do not understand it. my advice to you is to watch the film ';but im a cheerleader.'; it may put things in perspective for them.
adultery and those creating the adultery is wrong.. there are children involved that can get destroyed if a family is broken up by affairs..
and I always think that if someone is willing to cheat on a spouse for you, then what does that say about that person? they are non commital.. I wouldnt want a person that is willing to upset their home and cheat on a spouse and ruin a family life, home, etc..
if they cheat on #1 spouse. they will cheat on you (sis) later.. tell your sis that..
I feel very sorry for your Parents as it is a Dilemma.I am glad that they are still loving her and have not turned their back on her as that would make her more determined to act the way she is. I would suggest that Your Parents have a word with your Priest or Vicar and do not be Ashamed as you would be Surprised at the things they deal with every day
With the complication of marriage, it's not really only about being Lesbian.
But remember what Christ said, ';Love one another';. Other than that, what is there to understand? Your sister doesn't mind cheating with someone who doesn't mind cheating.
Sadly, what evangelicals produce is concupiscence.
His Grace will have mercy, and not sacrifice
which multiplies peace, and not confusion.
Grace + Mercy = Peace.
Grace + Sacrifice = Confusion.
God is not the author of confusion, but of peace.
Noahic grace + law is not the same as JC grace + truth.
The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.
This has absolutely nothing to do with your sister's sexuality -- this is about your sister being an unconscionable homewrecker.
THAT is the salient point, and the thing you need to call her on.
Disagreeing with any behavior is fine, but even if you disagree with lesbianism, you must still love your daughter as a lesbian. It goes with all my gay, atheists etc. friends: I love them for being that way.
I can not find anything in the Bible about lesbians, so it might not be a sin. The fact that she is with a married woman can also not be adultery. There must be a male involved.
My advice would be for them to seize this opportunity to drop religion altogether and concentrate on real life.
ever tried spanking?
God says, ';don't do it.'; God says ';it is an abomination.';
Read Scripture Leviticus 18:22 %26amp; 20:13
Romans 1:25-27
Jude 1:7
1 Corinthians 6:9
Your sister can quit seeing this woman and she can quit having sex with women. We can all abstain from sex. No where in the human anatomy does it say that we must have sex. Older homosexuals seduce younger people and once the young person has committed the act and enjoyed sex they think they are homosexuals. What your sister has done is opened herself up to evil. The battlefield is in the mind. Sex is in the mind. She needs to cleanse her mind from this sexual act and rewire her brain. God gave us the Word of God and when we belong to the Lord we have the power to overcome this evil.
Sin is always ';just one big mess.'; Whenever we go against the will of God and disobey the Lord, we end up in ';ONE BIG MESS.';
Edit: This is for Midnight who thinks Scripture is vague, when it isn't.
Leviticus 18:22,23 KJV
';Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind, it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.';
Leviticus 20:13 KJV
';If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them hae committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.';
Romans 1:24-27
';Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through, the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves. Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause, God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another: men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet (due).
Jude 1:7
';Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.';
Genesis 19:4%26amp;5 The wickedness of the men of Sodom
';But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter; And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.';
';We may know them'; is referring to having sex with someone.
2 Peter 2:6-8 explains Sodom further.
1 Corinthians 6:9 KJV
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,';
The King James Bible is not distorted as are the new translations which uphold man's views. One cannot read the King James and misunderstand and say that homosexuality is okay. God says ';don't do it.'; God says homosexuality is a depraved mind and it is an abomination to Him.
The best thing they and you can do is to actually STUDY the verses of the Bible that are used to condem homosexuality. Study the original translations which use the word effeminate, and the original texts that use the word malakos.... Neither of which mean homosexuality.
When you study the verses from the original translations and the original texts... You find that the Bible never specifically condems homosexuality. The most direct verse is Leviticus, which is also vague. But even if you use the Leviticus verse, that means that you also have to be eating kosher and making animal sacrifices and all kinds of other crap that most people do not do today. Some people believe that all of these verses are talking about male prostistutes, not homosexuality.
You should also read Dean Hamer who is a genetist and talks about the genetic differences of most gay people.
It's wonderful that your parents are handling this difficult situation so well. Many Christians have drawn the line here. I can't help but be proud to see that some are able to live the love of God when it really counts.
Perhaps they may be able to find a christian support group (that uses discretion) along these lines. I went digging online for a book geared for what you're looking for and couldn't find a thing. Perhaps your parents are breaking new ground for parents in the future.
I do know that prayer is powerful. James 1:5 tells us to ask for wisdom and God will give it generously. Painfully aware that I couldn't raise my children without alot of God's help, for years I have been asking for wisdom. God does help us through unimaginable problems.
Have your parents plainly stated how they feel about both issues? And how it makes them feel? I think that they have been so focused on not alienating their daughter that they may have forgotten that they have feelings too. And they have a right to these feelings. They don't have to vent at her, perhaps they can do that in their prayer closet, or together in privacy, another creative way like writing it out and burning it in an ashtray. But they need to communicate as gently as possible how she is making them feel or I'm concerned that your sister will continue to take advantage of your parents patience to the point that they may break.
And they may already know this, but it doesn't hurt to be reminded sometimes. Have they forgiven her? Are they continuing to do so? It takes work, I know, but it's vital for their well-being to not let it pile up on them.
I'll be praying for your family. Don't forget, God doesn't allow anything that we can't handle. His grace is sufficient for you. Hang in there, I know that your family can get through this and be stronger on the other side.
All that should be addressed here is the fact that the relationship she's in might destroy the relationship of a family. It shouldn't have anything to do with her being a lesbian. And this part: ';how they have been able to cope with the knowledge they have a gay/lesbian child.'; It's completely stupid. Your child's sexual orientation isn't something that you should need to cope with. Okay, she's attracted to people of the same gender, big whoop. She's still their child. They loved her before and should continue to feel the same way towards her. The only reason they might feel different should be because of her helping someone have an affair.
Christ teaches we should love even the abominable BUT NOT the disgusting ACTS so you must tell her to get straight with Christ before she is burned.
Homosex is filth in the eyes of God. Even Hitler treated homos with disgust, where do you think he got that idea form?
Even Islam hates homosex.
There has to be something to it...homos are lucky to live in a liberal country otherwise they would be treated like the murderers and thieves they are.
Sin is sin. Being a homo is like being a pedo or murderer, but the POLITICALLTY CORRECT Athiest rabble are up in arms trying to 'protect' the rights of these criminals in the eyes of God.
What next, athiest 'protecting' pedos and rapists and murderers?
Here's an idea, why not just accept her for who she is?
If you are a Christian as you claim you must tell her to repent of her sin. You should love here, yes, but you can't support her decision to engage in homosexual sex.
%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;most are very strict evangelical (where, it would appear, forgiveness and love are not the main preaching!!!) %26lt;%26lt;%26lt;
Untrue. Evangelical preach love and forgiveness. We love everyone.
God does not forgive until there is repentance. Repentance is asking for forgiveness for sin and turning from that sin. A homosexual will never recieve forgiveness until he turns from his homosexual lifestyle. God loves everyone but hates sin.
Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;how to support and guide people in homosexual relationships %26lt;%26lt;%26lt;
Anyone who supports sin is NOT a Christian.
Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Christian Foster parents??? I need your advice on what to do about my foster friend!!!!!!?
Ok, so, my friend is a ';foster child'; and is also in a group home at the moment (I'm not sure how it all works exactly...)
But today I got to see her for the 1st time in a year and a half. And she'd been telling me all day that she wanted to tell me something important.We went to see a moviewith her foster parents and in the line at the bathroom when her foster mom went to get popcorn, she asked if I could keep a secret and I said yes (stupid) and she told me she is bisexual!!!!!!!!!!
Nobody knows but me and her friends..
SHould I tell her foster mom??? (my friend is 15 btw)
If I do how do I do that? If she was ur child would want to know so you could talk it through???Christian Foster parents??? I need your advice on what to do about my foster friend!!!!!!?
WWJD? I think he'd keep the secret
But today I got to see her for the 1st time in a year and a half. And she'd been telling me all day that she wanted to tell me something important.We went to see a moviewith her foster parents and in the line at the bathroom when her foster mom went to get popcorn, she asked if I could keep a secret and I said yes (stupid) and she told me she is bisexual!!!!!!!!!!
Nobody knows but me and her friends..
SHould I tell her foster mom??? (my friend is 15 btw)
If I do how do I do that? If she was ur child would want to know so you could talk it through???Christian Foster parents??? I need your advice on what to do about my foster friend!!!!!!?
WWJD? I think he'd keep the secret
My christian girlfriends parents dont accept me, any advice ??
my christian girlfriends parents dont accept me and im finding it frustrating. we have been going out for over two years now and while they pretend to like me but its pretty obviouse they dont and from what i have heard there whole family thinks that she would be better with a christian. i know chirstians believe in the whole un even yoke thing but i think thats rubbish. any advice on what i should do to make them accept me ??My christian girlfriends parents dont accept me, any advice ??
My dad is a protestant minister and I have also heard the unevenly yoked concern all my life. I know my parents were a little worried when I started dating my now fiance because he's a pretty secular guy. I'm sure they would have been more happy if I picked someone up in church rather than at a party. However, my parents have come around and are quite supportive of our wedding. The Bible talks about the difficulties Christians face when they're married to non-believers, so some of the resistance to you probably comes from simply wanting their daughter to have an easy time of it and not struggle in life. All you can really do is continue to be a stellar boyfriend and demonstrate how much you truly love and respect their daughter and will do everything in your power to take care of her. If they're super-conservative, it might take them a really long time to accept you, and they may never fully accept you. Hopefully you can at least reach a point of mutual respect and agree to disagree.
That said, you will definitely win points by showing her parents that you are a mature person who can respect others' deeply held beliefs. Not that I'm saying you have to become a Christian, but her parents are obviously going to play a part in your lives and you want a good relationship with them. Conciliatory gestures- like going with them to church- will go a long way in showing that you are team player and you recognize that this is her family, this is what her family does, and you can play along whenever you're visiting. You want them to feel like you want to become a part of their family. You don't want them to think that you're tearing their daughter away.
Be the bigger man and whatever you do, don't call someone's beliefs ';rubbish,'; because that puts them on the defensive. People on the defensive are in fight or flight mode and will not be able to think rationally, nor will they be able to see all of your good qualities.My christian girlfriends parents dont accept me, any advice ??
You're not going to change their opinion of you no matter what. I'm sure they've been Christians for quite some time, and aren't going to change their views just because their girlfriend is dating you. If your girlfriend truly loves you, she'll stay with you despite her parents. Just remember to respect them, no matter how uncomfortable they make you feel. I'm not quite sure how old you are, but as long as your girlfriend is going to live under her parent's roof, whether she's over eighteen or not, she's going to have to abide by the rules. If she's over eighteen and you both don't like how things are going on under her parent's roof, I suggest you arrange moving out.
Just be who you are鈾?..If they don't like you for that, then thats their problem. Don't get a bad attitude about it though... just don't let it bother you. The reason they most likely have a problem with you is because the don't want their little girl to be taken away from them with some boy. Its most likely not you... it would be anyone. The just don't think anyone is good enough for their daughter. Especially if they know you guys are serious and in love. That really scares them. ..Shes their baby. Just let it go... if your willing to stick it out and you really do love her, they will most likely slowly except you over time. Trust takes a while. Good luck with everything;)
you could become a christian!!!! but dont do it as a quick fix, only do it if you want to!! if you are interested!! i find it unchristian of them not to accept you unless you have hurt their daughter in some way there should be no reason for them not to like you. my brother is married to a christian woman, while he has no religion, his wife and her family are very loving and accepting toward him.
i think you should talk this out with the parents if you see a future for you and your girlfriend. sounds like they are judging you.
well as a christian, I can tell you that if her parents are Christians then they want her to be with someone that is a Christian also. As long as you are good to her and respect her, I don't see a problem with it. One of my friends is dating someone who wasn't a christian. she came to church and now she just got saved. I think that it's wonderful. Just talk to her parents and tell them that you respect her.
good luck!!
If they dislike you simply because you aren't of their brand of religion, then you're not going to change their feelings. Just be yourself, and hopefully you will show them that people of any religion (or no religion) can be really groovy people...
Small minds like that tend not to open very easily...they may well never accept you 100% so be prepared for that, if you and the girlfriend should take the next step together...
not trying to be rude or anything
but who cares if they dont accept u !!!!!???????
she is the one that has to accept u
but if u want them to ..then heres a tip
treat her like the world...be gud to her...let her see that u care for her...and it will show in her actions that she is happy and loves u ...and her parents will see tht she is happy ...then they will accept u ...
nothing makes parents more happier than to see their children happy...
so get to work buddy!!!!
I JUST LOOKED AT THESE DAMN COMMENTS!!! DONT CHANGE YA BELIF BECAUSE OF A LOVE FOR A WOMAN..DONT EVEN LET THAT COME INTO YOUR HEAD..ION KNW WUT RELIGION U ARE BUT NEVE...EVA...EVA..EVA...EVA CHANGE YA RELGION FOT A WOMAN....
IF IT IS MEANT FOR YALL TO B TOGETHER YALL WILL B TOGETHER...
DONT LISTEN TO ALL THESE PPL TELLING U TO CONVERT.... BECAUSE IF U CONVERT JUST FOR HER...THEN YOUR HEART WONT REALLI B THERE...
OBVIOSULY YOUR RELIGION IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR HER....
My parents don't accept my wife, and I'm not even Christian, they are. I left Christianity several years ago and they just won't let go. They think I should have married a Christian girl but that's the last thing I would have wanted to do.
My marriage is fine. Too bad for my parents they won't get to know my wife. Their loss.
Ok her parents sound a bit like my parents. They most likely percieve you as a bad person or a person who will lead her away from the church. I know you may hate this idea but have you ever considered attending church with her one sunday. If you do make sure you are respectful about it and dont be scared to ask them questions. That will show them that you do care and have an interest in it....or that you are pretending you do but they dont need to know that
Unfortunately other than turning Christian nothing will help for now.Just be courteous and polite to them, my husband of 25 years was hated by my family for about 4 years after we were married, but we never let it bother us.Cheer up if she loves you she will make it work with her family.
U are not going to change their minds unless u become a christian. Why stress out, you are not in love with them but with their daughter. If they don't appreciate u, the way u are then it is tough. They probably don't know you, but already they ar accusing you. Just don't care. And if their daughter decides to leave u, tell her fine, then move on and look for someone else.
I really can not give you an unbias opinion because I am too a christian. My advice is, if you love or care for your girlfriend enough, try the Christian experience. It has never failed me. If you really do not want to, talk to the family and let them know how you feel.
CONVERT let the lord into your life. IT's the only WAY!!! REPENT REPENT REPENT. It's the only way open your heart rectum and soul and LET JESUS in!!!!!!!!!! STAY PURE. LET Your girl wear WHITE on her WEDDING day. REPENT. The devil prays on jews he eats them for breakfast in his pit of damnation. REPENT.
SPLASH
I blessed this page and as you read JESUS is dousing you in holy water.
GOD LOVES YOU however her family will not until YOU... well ya know
Just love her and take good care of her and adventually they will see how happy she is with you and they will look past it. It may take a while but if you love her it is worth it.
@S @ B@CKSLIDER CHRISTI@N MYSELF, MY P@RENTS DID THE S@ME THING, I ENDED UP M@RRING @T 18 TO @ BOY WHO @LSO IS CHRIST@N, C@USE I GOT PREGN@NT. THEY THEN H@TED HIN FOR @ WHILE. THE M@RRI@GE WENT B@D. HE CHE@TED ON ME @ BUNCH OF TIMES. I NOW D@TE OUT OF THE CHURCH, @ND DONT CURRENTLY @TTEND.
u need to convert into christian thats the only way and it would show ur love towards her by doing so
good luck XXXXXXXXX
if they cant except u 4 who u r then its not worth it. i kow that it hurts but its up 2 u 2 and parents cant tell u how u can and can not love .
I say if you really love this girl and want to be with her, then start going to church regular with her.
if she accepts it thats all that matetrs forget her parents they don't have a right to choose who she dates
My dad is a protestant minister and I have also heard the unevenly yoked concern all my life. I know my parents were a little worried when I started dating my now fiance because he's a pretty secular guy. I'm sure they would have been more happy if I picked someone up in church rather than at a party. However, my parents have come around and are quite supportive of our wedding. The Bible talks about the difficulties Christians face when they're married to non-believers, so some of the resistance to you probably comes from simply wanting their daughter to have an easy time of it and not struggle in life. All you can really do is continue to be a stellar boyfriend and demonstrate how much you truly love and respect their daughter and will do everything in your power to take care of her. If they're super-conservative, it might take them a really long time to accept you, and they may never fully accept you. Hopefully you can at least reach a point of mutual respect and agree to disagree.
That said, you will definitely win points by showing her parents that you are a mature person who can respect others' deeply held beliefs. Not that I'm saying you have to become a Christian, but her parents are obviously going to play a part in your lives and you want a good relationship with them. Conciliatory gestures- like going with them to church- will go a long way in showing that you are team player and you recognize that this is her family, this is what her family does, and you can play along whenever you're visiting. You want them to feel like you want to become a part of their family. You don't want them to think that you're tearing their daughter away.
Be the bigger man and whatever you do, don't call someone's beliefs ';rubbish,'; because that puts them on the defensive. People on the defensive are in fight or flight mode and will not be able to think rationally, nor will they be able to see all of your good qualities.My christian girlfriends parents dont accept me, any advice ??
You're not going to change their opinion of you no matter what. I'm sure they've been Christians for quite some time, and aren't going to change their views just because their girlfriend is dating you. If your girlfriend truly loves you, she'll stay with you despite her parents. Just remember to respect them, no matter how uncomfortable they make you feel. I'm not quite sure how old you are, but as long as your girlfriend is going to live under her parent's roof, whether she's over eighteen or not, she's going to have to abide by the rules. If she's over eighteen and you both don't like how things are going on under her parent's roof, I suggest you arrange moving out.
Just be who you are鈾?..If they don't like you for that, then thats their problem. Don't get a bad attitude about it though... just don't let it bother you. The reason they most likely have a problem with you is because the don't want their little girl to be taken away from them with some boy. Its most likely not you... it would be anyone. The just don't think anyone is good enough for their daughter. Especially if they know you guys are serious and in love. That really scares them. ..Shes their baby. Just let it go... if your willing to stick it out and you really do love her, they will most likely slowly except you over time. Trust takes a while. Good luck with everything;)
you could become a christian!!!! but dont do it as a quick fix, only do it if you want to!! if you are interested!! i find it unchristian of them not to accept you unless you have hurt their daughter in some way there should be no reason for them not to like you. my brother is married to a christian woman, while he has no religion, his wife and her family are very loving and accepting toward him.
i think you should talk this out with the parents if you see a future for you and your girlfriend. sounds like they are judging you.
well as a christian, I can tell you that if her parents are Christians then they want her to be with someone that is a Christian also. As long as you are good to her and respect her, I don't see a problem with it. One of my friends is dating someone who wasn't a christian. she came to church and now she just got saved. I think that it's wonderful. Just talk to her parents and tell them that you respect her.
good luck!!
If they dislike you simply because you aren't of their brand of religion, then you're not going to change their feelings. Just be yourself, and hopefully you will show them that people of any religion (or no religion) can be really groovy people...
Small minds like that tend not to open very easily...they may well never accept you 100% so be prepared for that, if you and the girlfriend should take the next step together...
not trying to be rude or anything
but who cares if they dont accept u !!!!!???????
she is the one that has to accept u
but if u want them to ..then heres a tip
treat her like the world...be gud to her...let her see that u care for her...and it will show in her actions that she is happy and loves u ...and her parents will see tht she is happy ...then they will accept u ...
nothing makes parents more happier than to see their children happy...
so get to work buddy!!!!
I JUST LOOKED AT THESE DAMN COMMENTS!!! DONT CHANGE YA BELIF BECAUSE OF A LOVE FOR A WOMAN..DONT EVEN LET THAT COME INTO YOUR HEAD..ION KNW WUT RELIGION U ARE BUT NEVE...EVA...EVA..EVA...EVA CHANGE YA RELGION FOT A WOMAN....
IF IT IS MEANT FOR YALL TO B TOGETHER YALL WILL B TOGETHER...
DONT LISTEN TO ALL THESE PPL TELLING U TO CONVERT.... BECAUSE IF U CONVERT JUST FOR HER...THEN YOUR HEART WONT REALLI B THERE...
OBVIOSULY YOUR RELIGION IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR HER....
My parents don't accept my wife, and I'm not even Christian, they are. I left Christianity several years ago and they just won't let go. They think I should have married a Christian girl but that's the last thing I would have wanted to do.
My marriage is fine. Too bad for my parents they won't get to know my wife. Their loss.
Ok her parents sound a bit like my parents. They most likely percieve you as a bad person or a person who will lead her away from the church. I know you may hate this idea but have you ever considered attending church with her one sunday. If you do make sure you are respectful about it and dont be scared to ask them questions. That will show them that you do care and have an interest in it....or that you are pretending you do but they dont need to know that
Unfortunately other than turning Christian nothing will help for now.Just be courteous and polite to them, my husband of 25 years was hated by my family for about 4 years after we were married, but we never let it bother us.Cheer up if she loves you she will make it work with her family.
U are not going to change their minds unless u become a christian. Why stress out, you are not in love with them but with their daughter. If they don't appreciate u, the way u are then it is tough. They probably don't know you, but already they ar accusing you. Just don't care. And if their daughter decides to leave u, tell her fine, then move on and look for someone else.
I really can not give you an unbias opinion because I am too a christian. My advice is, if you love or care for your girlfriend enough, try the Christian experience. It has never failed me. If you really do not want to, talk to the family and let them know how you feel.
CONVERT let the lord into your life. IT's the only WAY!!! REPENT REPENT REPENT. It's the only way open your heart rectum and soul and LET JESUS in!!!!!!!!!! STAY PURE. LET Your girl wear WHITE on her WEDDING day. REPENT. The devil prays on jews he eats them for breakfast in his pit of damnation. REPENT.
SPLASH
I blessed this page and as you read JESUS is dousing you in holy water.
GOD LOVES YOU however her family will not until YOU... well ya know
Just love her and take good care of her and adventually they will see how happy she is with you and they will look past it. It may take a while but if you love her it is worth it.
@S @ B@CKSLIDER CHRISTI@N MYSELF, MY P@RENTS DID THE S@ME THING, I ENDED UP M@RRING @T 18 TO @ BOY WHO @LSO IS CHRIST@N, C@USE I GOT PREGN@NT. THEY THEN H@TED HIN FOR @ WHILE. THE M@RRI@GE WENT B@D. HE CHE@TED ON ME @ BUNCH OF TIMES. I NOW D@TE OUT OF THE CHURCH, @ND DONT CURRENTLY @TTEND.
u need to convert into christian thats the only way and it would show ur love towards her by doing so
good luck XXXXXXXXX
if they cant except u 4 who u r then its not worth it. i kow that it hurts but its up 2 u 2 and parents cant tell u how u can and can not love .
I say if you really love this girl and want to be with her, then start going to church regular with her.
if she accepts it thats all that matetrs forget her parents they don't have a right to choose who she dates
Christian college athlete in need of advice w/life plans.?
I am a sophomore college athlete but I don't know if that's what I want to do right now. Sports have always been my life (and my father's) but I want to travel and go places. I have a love for Europe and I desperately want to go back. I know I need to get a degree but right now I feel like God wants me to do more than just the 4 years of college and the typical life of a college student. Any advice at all will help. I have so many ideas and thoughts in my head and I'm going crazy.Christian college athlete in need of advice w/life plans.?
I would say that if you LIKE college, yet still have these other yearnings you should stick with college, because you would probably come to regret dropping out.
If you are absolutely miserable or something of that degree in college than perhaps it's not for you and you should consider something else. College isn't for everybody, but it is a great thing so you'd have to think about it.
As it is, I would highly recommend staying college. For one, with the better job opportunities you'll get with a degree, you will have more time and financial security that you can use to travel with AFTER college. People with no college degree are not usually people that have any kind of disposable income. So that is one thing to consider.
Also, what about study abroad? Study abroad is a great opportunity to travel like you want to while also remaining in college.
Good luck!Christian college athlete in need of advice w/life plans.?
What gets me is you people always feel the need to add the word ';Christian'; to your title.
Like is makes you life more significant by adding that title to make yourself appear more righteous than others.
What is even funnier is people like yourself are always trying to figure out your whole purpose of life, you will never know the answer.
You are a human, get over it and to succeed in a normal society, then one must abide by basic living standards and goals.
What is sad is, people like your self always saying god wants more of me, wants me to do more; bogus!
If there is a god and you follow his so called word, then you would know he gave all choices made up to you to make.
Make mistakes, learn from life and most of all enjoy this life that was given.
When you announce yourself as a ';Christian'; in today's aggressively secular society, you open yourself up to abuse from sneering atheists who are eager to demonstrate their self-righteousness. Don't do it. Keep your beliefs private.
To answer your question: You know the perils of changing horses mid-stream. Unless you've got a plan (which probably includes returning to college one day), you should finish your degree first. Who would pay for your tour of Europe?
I know exactly what you mean and are going through in order to make the correct decisions God can view as a rightous choice that will form part of your judment and save you from the Lords Wrath on all nations (especially P.akis) ...i advise you to constantly read the Bible, possibly speak to your local priest, but whatever you want to do, make sure you are HELPING others with whatever it may be, just remember, God is either your God, or money is....your choice my son...
God doesn't want you to do anything, YOU want to something.
That voice inside your head isn't your god's, it's yours.
Do what you want, not what your daddy wants and especially not what your god wants.
If you like travel, try international business major, or talk to your academic advisor for other careers that will let you go abroad.
Do you have the option of studying abroad?
I would say that if you LIKE college, yet still have these other yearnings you should stick with college, because you would probably come to regret dropping out.
If you are absolutely miserable or something of that degree in college than perhaps it's not for you and you should consider something else. College isn't for everybody, but it is a great thing so you'd have to think about it.
As it is, I would highly recommend staying college. For one, with the better job opportunities you'll get with a degree, you will have more time and financial security that you can use to travel with AFTER college. People with no college degree are not usually people that have any kind of disposable income. So that is one thing to consider.
Also, what about study abroad? Study abroad is a great opportunity to travel like you want to while also remaining in college.
Good luck!Christian college athlete in need of advice w/life plans.?
What gets me is you people always feel the need to add the word ';Christian'; to your title.
Like is makes you life more significant by adding that title to make yourself appear more righteous than others.
What is even funnier is people like yourself are always trying to figure out your whole purpose of life, you will never know the answer.
You are a human, get over it and to succeed in a normal society, then one must abide by basic living standards and goals.
What is sad is, people like your self always saying god wants more of me, wants me to do more; bogus!
If there is a god and you follow his so called word, then you would know he gave all choices made up to you to make.
Make mistakes, learn from life and most of all enjoy this life that was given.
When you announce yourself as a ';Christian'; in today's aggressively secular society, you open yourself up to abuse from sneering atheists who are eager to demonstrate their self-righteousness. Don't do it. Keep your beliefs private.
To answer your question: You know the perils of changing horses mid-stream. Unless you've got a plan (which probably includes returning to college one day), you should finish your degree first. Who would pay for your tour of Europe?
I know exactly what you mean and are going through in order to make the correct decisions God can view as a rightous choice that will form part of your judment and save you from the Lords Wrath on all nations (especially P.akis) ...i advise you to constantly read the Bible, possibly speak to your local priest, but whatever you want to do, make sure you are HELPING others with whatever it may be, just remember, God is either your God, or money is....your choice my son...
God doesn't want you to do anything, YOU want to something.
That voice inside your head isn't your god's, it's yours.
Do what you want, not what your daddy wants and especially not what your god wants.
If you like travel, try international business major, or talk to your academic advisor for other careers that will let you go abroad.
Do you have the option of studying abroad?
Im inlove with a muslim guy. im a christian, what shall i do? i need advice, im confused..?
why life is so unfair? we both love each other but cannot end up being together..Im inlove with a muslim guy. im a christian, what shall i do? i need advice, im confused..?
wow.
im in love with a muslim guy too.
and i am not muslim,i am going to covert in about 1.5 years.
H said we could be together even if i didnt,but that it would be better and wouldnt cause so many problems and i believe that too.Im inlove with a muslim guy. im a christian, what shall i do? i need advice, im confused..?
haiii...u tinggal mana erkk........
wow.
im in love with a muslim guy too.
and i am not muslim,i am going to covert in about 1.5 years.
H said we could be together even if i didnt,but that it would be better and wouldnt cause so many problems and i believe that too.Im inlove with a muslim guy. im a christian, what shall i do? i need advice, im confused..?
haiii...u tinggal mana erkk........
I am a non Catholic Christian but I'm very interested in Catholicism. Advice?
I know about RCIA classes, but if I start those does that mean I must have already made a definite decision regarding the Church? I really want to learn more, but I haven't decided for sure that I want to convert, I'm just looking into it.
Also, is there any point in attending mass if I can't participate in communion? Or should I just keep going to my current church while I take classes?I am a non Catholic Christian but I'm very interested in Catholicism. Advice?
No there is not a requirement to become Catholic when you attend RCIA Classes. The RCIA classes are for people wanting to learn more about Catholicism %26amp; for people wanting to join the church. You don't have to make a decision regarding the Church to attend the classes. You may be interested in this site http://www.amm.org/chss.htm which offers free books %26amp; courses on Catholic beliefs. If you are interested I strongly recommend this book ';We believe.. A survey of the Catholic faith'; This is a great book for any one wanting to learn more about the Catholic faith. '; From the AMM page';WE BELIEVE... A SURVEY OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH An explanation of Catholic teaching, cross-referenced to the Catechism of the Catholic Church and following the same structure as the Catechism Creed, worship, Christian life, and prayer. The course studies belief in God, the Bible, the life and teaching of Jesus, the Church, Mary, the saints, life after death, the Sacraments, moral living, %26amp; Catholic prayer. '; I have read this book, it helped me to better understand the Catholic faith.
Yes there is always value in attending Mass, I am Catholic but I'm allergic to wheat so I cant receive communion either. But you can receive a blessing at Mass. If you want to receive a Blessing walk up to the front of the church with every one els when time for Holy Communion. (Since we can not receive Holy Communion we walk up with our arms crossed over our cheats, this way the priest knows we cant receive Communion. The priest will make the sign of the cross %26amp; pray a for prayer asking God to bless you ) You may be interested in this site http://www.catholicmass.org/english.html it has free online videos explaining The Mass. Click on DVD That will take you to the free online videos.. You may also find this interesting 100 Questions about the Catholic Mass.
http://www.catholicmass.org/101_Question鈥?/a>
I hope this helps to answer your question, God bless
P.S Don't let all the hatred on YA get you down. (There is a lot of hate on YA for all beliefs not just Catholicism) If these people would take the time to learn what the Catholic Church really teaches they would not be spreading hate about their fellow Brothers %26amp; Sisters.
May God bless them, because in God's eyes we are all His Children it doesn't matter if we are Protestant or Catholic we are all still family.I am a non Catholic Christian but I'm very interested in Catholicism. Advice?
Many people in RCIA will have already decided to become Catholic, but it is absolutely not mandatory. I think it's exactly what you are looking for! Be upfront with the priest or deacon and he will respect your choice. It's an excellent place to get your questions answered by a knowledgable source. If you feel that there is too much pressure, switch to a different RCIA class. You'll find one that works for you.
The priest will highly recommend that you attend mass. If you are taking RCIA to convert, they will definately encourage it. The eucharist is a big deal, but mass is another good place to learn what Catholics believe. The gospel reading and the homily are invaluable. You'll find that while most Catholics at mass will be taking the Eucharist, those who have not be able to go to confession will also not be participating. You will not be the only person in the building who is not recieving the host.
There's nothing wrong with still going to your current church while you are still deciding, but if you decide to become Catholic, you'll want to attend mass instead.
If it makes you feel any better, all Catholics have had long periods of attending mass and not recieving the eucharist. Those who are cradle Catholics had this as children, those who converted as adults, have it as adults. It's not meant to exclude you, it's just really important that those who recieve it understand what it means and are in union with the Church.
Good luck with your discernment! God bless!
You can attend RCIA classes and still decide not to join the Church. You do not have to be sure and committed.
Yes, there is a definite point to attending Mass even when you do not receive. You are there for the sacrifice and that in itself brings grace upon you. Additionally, you can find the prayer for a ';spiritual communion'; and say that during the distribution of Eucharist. I did this for 3 years until I could receieve, and the grace and understanding I received was not something I expected.
RCIA classes are also for people who are just looking into learning more about what the Church teaches. Some do go on to convert, others do not. There's no pressure and no expectation, and in fact if the priest/RCIA instructors feel someone is not ready they will tell them.
There is great value in going to Mass, especially if you're in RCIA classes, even if you can't yet receive Holy Communion. There are even some Catholics who, for one reason or another, cannot receive; yet they go to Mass to worship and pray. Isn't that what is done at your regular church? Then why not go to Mass, at least while you're still in the process of deciding whether you want to convert? If it's just a matter of feeling odd about remaining seated while everyone (or almost everyone) else goes up to receive Communion, you can use that time for prayer and spiritual communion. Many do. While receiving Holy Communion is, of course, the high point of the Mass and what everything leads up to, it's not the only reason to attend. Reverent worship and communal prayer and Communion are not separate parts but inextricably woven together; one can still receive the graces of the Mass and the presence of Christ in the Eucharist even if one does not physically receive Communion.
I came into the Church via RCIA classes. You're welcome to e-mail me.
There is definitely a point in attending Mass should you be unable to receive communion. It is the best way to help you understand the mass and you can still receive a blessing from the priest.
You can take RCIA classes without officially joining the Catholic Church as you are allowed to quit any time you want. It is simply a class. You have to take it to be able to receive communion and become official but you do not have to ';become official'; if you take it.
Also, it is always good to read up on the Catechism of the Catholic Church (you should do this in the RCIA program).
Hope this Helps!
Attending the RCIA process only needs a decision to investigate and explore, not to convert. You are completely free to stop at any time.
Although Eucharist is very important, Mass also shows you how the community prays and worships together. It starts to bring you into the community that you are considering joining/
I would never tell anyone to attend or not attend your current church. This is a very personal decision.
With love in Christ.
if you have an interest in the Catholic Church attend Mass as often as possible even if you don't participate in the Eucharist (communion), talk to the priest and ask him questions. Tell him you're thinking about joining the Catholic Church but haven't decided yet and you'd like to learn more before you decide to take RCIA classes. Pray daily for God's guidance.
First, go to a Traditional Catholic Mass. They are much truer to the original than the newer version. This link will help you find one in your area.
http://www.traditio.com/tradlib/masslat.鈥?/a>
The Mass is very beneficial to non Catholics too. The priest will help you to see if The Catholic Faith is right for you. God Bless.
you can go to communion but you have to cross your arms on your cheat, they will bless you...the best thing to do is talk to a local priest and make sure if you do decide to convert that that would be the church of your choice...it took me years to find my church and i love going there!
You don't need RCIA classes to learn about the Roman Catholic faith, you can read The Baltimore Catechism, the Bible The Douay Rheim Version is best, and the City of God by the Venerated Mary of Agreda this reading will give you a deep understanding to the mysteries of the Roman Catholic faith and why we believe as we do. If you would like to become a Catholic you can take the RCIA classes and fulfill what is necessary in order to become Catholic, Baptism, Reconciliation, Communion and Confirmation. God Bless.
edit--Yes you can still go and participate in the Mass and make a Spiritual Communion, although you are not Catholic yet just being in His Holy Pure Presence allows you to closely lift up your prayers and petitions to the Almighty and they will be heard. Go to Mass every Sunday because when you go to Mass even without physically receiving the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord you are receive blessings and graces for paying Homage to Our Almighty and Everlasting Creator who deserves all glory and praise, for He is good and just.
Go to Mass, you get graces even if you don't take communion.
And RCIA is for learning about the faith, you can join later, bur many take classes so that they know our true faith, or what we REALLY believe. There is nothing wrong with that. I wish that more people would learn the truth, not just for conversion but so that they are smart enough to not mis-represent our beliefs.
';Thou shall not bear false wittiness'; is one of the 10 commandments we all follow.
Peace be with you and may God bless your journey, he did mine.
No, you are not obligated to become Catholic if you start RCIA. I urge you to do so, because the first 5-6 months of the class is especially geared towards inquiry. No decision will be needed from you during that time.
And yes - keep attending Mass.
How do we know that it is the Catholic Church that Jesus Christ founded
http://home.inreach.com/~bstanley/how.ht鈥?/a>
Why You Should Be Catholic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqfn75wgf鈥?/a>
Learn as much as you can. Attend mass and learn. Taking classes does not commit you, try to talk one on one with Catholic Clergy willing to answer your most worry some questions. I have been and still am weighing whether to convert.
Read the King James Holy Bible, and find the truth out for yourself, and then go out and find the true church, those that follows all of Gods Commandments
Study scripture. As you are drawn to the savior YAHOSHUA these earthly trinkets will loose their appeal.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Attend, even if you cannot receive
Experience is good
%26lt;%26lt;I am a non Catholic Christian but I'm very interested in Catholicism. Advice?%26gt;%26gt;
Okay. Let's take this one piece at a time. Shall we?
%26lt;%26lt;I know about RCIA classes, but if I start those does that mean I must have already made a definite decision regarding the Church?%26gt;%26gt;
No. Religious instruction is merely the first part. Receiving the Sacraments of Initiation come later, and it's through the reception of the Sacraments of Baptism, (first) Holy Communion, and Confirmation that one becomes Catholic.
The Church does the instruction part first; allowing for anyone who discovers something about Catholicism they simply cannot accept to leave the program, thus not converting.
Most people in RCIA probably have already done a great deal of independent research, and pretty much know what the Church believes and practices. They're (at the very least) 95% sure they want to be Catholics.
However, if - for whateve reason - one decides not to convert, they can can leave the RCIA program without converting.
%26lt;%26lt;I really want to learn more, but I haven't decided for sure that I want to convert, I'm just looking into it.%26gt;%26gt;
You should get a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It's the Church's primary teaching tool and it's available in most bookstores. Softcover editions go for $10. If there is a Walmart in your area, you can obtain a soft-cover edition for $3.95, so I'm told.
%26lt;%26lt;Also, is there any point in attending mass if I can't participate in communion?%26gt;%26gt;
YES! While the Eucharist is the Source and Summit of the Catholic Christian Faith, a lot goes on at the Mass. The Catholic Mass is the sort of thing where you get out of it what you put into it - even when you cannot yet receive Holy Communion as a Catholic. It's still worth going to.
There's much you can learn about the Catholic Faith simply by attending Mass.
%26lt;%26lt;Or should I just keep going to my current church while I take classes?%26gt;%26gt;
If you are looking to convert to Catholicism, I would recommend you begin attending Mass on a regular basis at a Catholic parish.
Stay away from the Babylon Whore of Rome and it's pagan rituals if you want to be saved. It would also be interesting to you if you look up the Jesuit Oath and read it .You can find it in the Library of Congress. I think you will be appalled by it as much as I was.
stay away from catholisism!!!!! stay christian!!!! http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/ check out this link pleeeaase!!!!!!
Are Roman Catholics Christian?
Are Roman Catholics Christians? They are, if they have trusted in Jesus alone for the forgiveness of their sins. However, if they believe that the are saved by God's grace and their works, then they are not saved -- even if they believe their works are done by God's grace -- since they then deny the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice.
Being a Christian does not mean being a member of the Roman Catholic Church. It means being a member of the body of Christ, which is accomplished by faith and trust in Jesus alone for the forgiveness of your sins. It means that you do not add your works to His work. Sincerity doesn't forgive sins. Membership in a church doesn't forgive sins. Doing works of penance doesn't forgive sins. Praying to Mary doesn't forgive sins. Forgiveness is received in the faithful trust and acceptance of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross. You must trust Jesus, God in flesh, for the forgiveness of sins, not a manmade ritual and certainly not the Catholic saints. Even though the Roman Catholic Church affirms the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and His physical resurrection, it greatly errs in its doctrine of salvation by adding works to salvation.
The official Roman Catholic doctrine of salvation is that the grace of God is infused into a baby at baptism -- making him/her justified before God.1 This justification can be lost through sin and must be regained by repeated participation in the many sacraments found in the Roman Catholic Church. These sacraments increase the measure of grace in the person by which he or she is enabled to do good works, which are in turn rewarded with the joy of heaven:
';We can therefore hope in the glory of heaven promised by God to those who love him and do his will. In every circumstance, each one of us should hope, with the grace of God, to persevere 'to the end' and to obtain the joy of heaven, as God's eternal reward for the good works accomplished with the grace of Christ,'; (Catechism of the Catholic Church, par. 1821).
';Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification,'; (CCC, par. 2010).
No one can say whether a Roman Catholic is truly a Christian or not, since we cannot know people's hearts. But, if anyone, Catholic included, openly denies essential doctrines2 then he is not saved, and this is the problem. It appears that the Roman Catholic church is denying the essential doctrine of justification by faith. It says...
';If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.'; (Canon 9, Council of Trent).
';If any one saith, that man is truly absolved from his sins and justified, because he assuredly believed himself absolved and justified; or, that no one is truly justified but he who believes himself justified; and that, by this faith alone, absolution and justification are effected; let him be anathema.'; (Canon 14, Council of Trent).
For more on this, please see Council of Trent. Canons on Justification.
Notice that justification by faith alone is denied and heaven is the reward for doing good works. This is the problem. The RCC does not teach the biblical doctrine of justification by faith. It teaches justification by faith and works. If you want to see more on this, go to
The Roman Catholic view on justification.
So, what is the CARM position on Roman Catholics?
CARM's position is simple. If a Roman Catholic believes in the official Roman Catholic teaching on salvation, then he is not a Christian since the official RCC position is contrary to Scripture. Therefore, as a whole, Roman Catholics need to be evangelized. They need to hear the true Gospel. They need to hear that they are not made right before God by being in a church, or by being baptized, but by receiving Christ (John 1:12), believing that Jesus has risen from the dead (Rom. 10:9), and that justification is by faith (Rom. 5:1) and not by our deeds (Rom. 4:5). It is only true faith that results in true works (James 2), not the other way around. Roman Catholics, like anyone else, need to trust in Jesus alone for the forgiveness of their sins and not the Catholic sacraments, not the words of the priest, not the Pope, not Mary, not the saints, not penance, not indulgences, not the rosary, etc. Jesus alone is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6).
Finally, I believe that there are truly regenerate Christians in the Roman Catholic church. But, they are truly Christians in spite of official RCC theology and in spite of the ritualistic offerings of this ancient church which has had too many hands meddling in it through the centuries, gradually moving it away from orthodoxy and into apostasy. Yes, apostasy. The Roman Catholic Church is no longer representing true Christianity.
Jesus alone saves. Jesus alone is Lord. Only Jesus' sacrifice can cleanse us. Only by faith are we made right before God. Justification is by faith, not by anything we do.fashion makeup
Also, is there any point in attending mass if I can't participate in communion? Or should I just keep going to my current church while I take classes?I am a non Catholic Christian but I'm very interested in Catholicism. Advice?
No there is not a requirement to become Catholic when you attend RCIA Classes. The RCIA classes are for people wanting to learn more about Catholicism %26amp; for people wanting to join the church. You don't have to make a decision regarding the Church to attend the classes. You may be interested in this site http://www.amm.org/chss.htm which offers free books %26amp; courses on Catholic beliefs. If you are interested I strongly recommend this book ';We believe.. A survey of the Catholic faith'; This is a great book for any one wanting to learn more about the Catholic faith. '; From the AMM page';WE BELIEVE... A SURVEY OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH An explanation of Catholic teaching, cross-referenced to the Catechism of the Catholic Church and following the same structure as the Catechism Creed, worship, Christian life, and prayer. The course studies belief in God, the Bible, the life and teaching of Jesus, the Church, Mary, the saints, life after death, the Sacraments, moral living, %26amp; Catholic prayer. '; I have read this book, it helped me to better understand the Catholic faith.
Yes there is always value in attending Mass, I am Catholic but I'm allergic to wheat so I cant receive communion either. But you can receive a blessing at Mass. If you want to receive a Blessing walk up to the front of the church with every one els when time for Holy Communion. (Since we can not receive Holy Communion we walk up with our arms crossed over our cheats, this way the priest knows we cant receive Communion. The priest will make the sign of the cross %26amp; pray a for prayer asking God to bless you ) You may be interested in this site http://www.catholicmass.org/english.html it has free online videos explaining The Mass. Click on DVD That will take you to the free online videos.. You may also find this interesting 100 Questions about the Catholic Mass.
http://www.catholicmass.org/101_Question鈥?/a>
I hope this helps to answer your question, God bless
P.S Don't let all the hatred on YA get you down. (There is a lot of hate on YA for all beliefs not just Catholicism) If these people would take the time to learn what the Catholic Church really teaches they would not be spreading hate about their fellow Brothers %26amp; Sisters.
May God bless them, because in God's eyes we are all His Children it doesn't matter if we are Protestant or Catholic we are all still family.I am a non Catholic Christian but I'm very interested in Catholicism. Advice?
Many people in RCIA will have already decided to become Catholic, but it is absolutely not mandatory. I think it's exactly what you are looking for! Be upfront with the priest or deacon and he will respect your choice. It's an excellent place to get your questions answered by a knowledgable source. If you feel that there is too much pressure, switch to a different RCIA class. You'll find one that works for you.
The priest will highly recommend that you attend mass. If you are taking RCIA to convert, they will definately encourage it. The eucharist is a big deal, but mass is another good place to learn what Catholics believe. The gospel reading and the homily are invaluable. You'll find that while most Catholics at mass will be taking the Eucharist, those who have not be able to go to confession will also not be participating. You will not be the only person in the building who is not recieving the host.
There's nothing wrong with still going to your current church while you are still deciding, but if you decide to become Catholic, you'll want to attend mass instead.
If it makes you feel any better, all Catholics have had long periods of attending mass and not recieving the eucharist. Those who are cradle Catholics had this as children, those who converted as adults, have it as adults. It's not meant to exclude you, it's just really important that those who recieve it understand what it means and are in union with the Church.
Good luck with your discernment! God bless!
You can attend RCIA classes and still decide not to join the Church. You do not have to be sure and committed.
Yes, there is a definite point to attending Mass even when you do not receive. You are there for the sacrifice and that in itself brings grace upon you. Additionally, you can find the prayer for a ';spiritual communion'; and say that during the distribution of Eucharist. I did this for 3 years until I could receieve, and the grace and understanding I received was not something I expected.
RCIA classes are also for people who are just looking into learning more about what the Church teaches. Some do go on to convert, others do not. There's no pressure and no expectation, and in fact if the priest/RCIA instructors feel someone is not ready they will tell them.
There is great value in going to Mass, especially if you're in RCIA classes, even if you can't yet receive Holy Communion. There are even some Catholics who, for one reason or another, cannot receive; yet they go to Mass to worship and pray. Isn't that what is done at your regular church? Then why not go to Mass, at least while you're still in the process of deciding whether you want to convert? If it's just a matter of feeling odd about remaining seated while everyone (or almost everyone) else goes up to receive Communion, you can use that time for prayer and spiritual communion. Many do. While receiving Holy Communion is, of course, the high point of the Mass and what everything leads up to, it's not the only reason to attend. Reverent worship and communal prayer and Communion are not separate parts but inextricably woven together; one can still receive the graces of the Mass and the presence of Christ in the Eucharist even if one does not physically receive Communion.
I came into the Church via RCIA classes. You're welcome to e-mail me.
There is definitely a point in attending Mass should you be unable to receive communion. It is the best way to help you understand the mass and you can still receive a blessing from the priest.
You can take RCIA classes without officially joining the Catholic Church as you are allowed to quit any time you want. It is simply a class. You have to take it to be able to receive communion and become official but you do not have to ';become official'; if you take it.
Also, it is always good to read up on the Catechism of the Catholic Church (you should do this in the RCIA program).
Hope this Helps!
Attending the RCIA process only needs a decision to investigate and explore, not to convert. You are completely free to stop at any time.
Although Eucharist is very important, Mass also shows you how the community prays and worships together. It starts to bring you into the community that you are considering joining/
I would never tell anyone to attend or not attend your current church. This is a very personal decision.
With love in Christ.
if you have an interest in the Catholic Church attend Mass as often as possible even if you don't participate in the Eucharist (communion), talk to the priest and ask him questions. Tell him you're thinking about joining the Catholic Church but haven't decided yet and you'd like to learn more before you decide to take RCIA classes. Pray daily for God's guidance.
First, go to a Traditional Catholic Mass. They are much truer to the original than the newer version. This link will help you find one in your area.
http://www.traditio.com/tradlib/masslat.鈥?/a>
The Mass is very beneficial to non Catholics too. The priest will help you to see if The Catholic Faith is right for you. God Bless.
you can go to communion but you have to cross your arms on your cheat, they will bless you...the best thing to do is talk to a local priest and make sure if you do decide to convert that that would be the church of your choice...it took me years to find my church and i love going there!
You don't need RCIA classes to learn about the Roman Catholic faith, you can read The Baltimore Catechism, the Bible The Douay Rheim Version is best, and the City of God by the Venerated Mary of Agreda this reading will give you a deep understanding to the mysteries of the Roman Catholic faith and why we believe as we do. If you would like to become a Catholic you can take the RCIA classes and fulfill what is necessary in order to become Catholic, Baptism, Reconciliation, Communion and Confirmation. God Bless.
edit--Yes you can still go and participate in the Mass and make a Spiritual Communion, although you are not Catholic yet just being in His Holy Pure Presence allows you to closely lift up your prayers and petitions to the Almighty and they will be heard. Go to Mass every Sunday because when you go to Mass even without physically receiving the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord you are receive blessings and graces for paying Homage to Our Almighty and Everlasting Creator who deserves all glory and praise, for He is good and just.
Go to Mass, you get graces even if you don't take communion.
And RCIA is for learning about the faith, you can join later, bur many take classes so that they know our true faith, or what we REALLY believe. There is nothing wrong with that. I wish that more people would learn the truth, not just for conversion but so that they are smart enough to not mis-represent our beliefs.
';Thou shall not bear false wittiness'; is one of the 10 commandments we all follow.
Peace be with you and may God bless your journey, he did mine.
No, you are not obligated to become Catholic if you start RCIA. I urge you to do so, because the first 5-6 months of the class is especially geared towards inquiry. No decision will be needed from you during that time.
And yes - keep attending Mass.
How do we know that it is the Catholic Church that Jesus Christ founded
http://home.inreach.com/~bstanley/how.ht鈥?/a>
Why You Should Be Catholic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqfn75wgf鈥?/a>
Learn as much as you can. Attend mass and learn. Taking classes does not commit you, try to talk one on one with Catholic Clergy willing to answer your most worry some questions. I have been and still am weighing whether to convert.
Read the King James Holy Bible, and find the truth out for yourself, and then go out and find the true church, those that follows all of Gods Commandments
Study scripture. As you are drawn to the savior YAHOSHUA these earthly trinkets will loose their appeal.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Attend, even if you cannot receive
Experience is good
%26lt;%26lt;I am a non Catholic Christian but I'm very interested in Catholicism. Advice?%26gt;%26gt;
Okay. Let's take this one piece at a time. Shall we?
%26lt;%26lt;I know about RCIA classes, but if I start those does that mean I must have already made a definite decision regarding the Church?%26gt;%26gt;
No. Religious instruction is merely the first part. Receiving the Sacraments of Initiation come later, and it's through the reception of the Sacraments of Baptism, (first) Holy Communion, and Confirmation that one becomes Catholic.
The Church does the instruction part first; allowing for anyone who discovers something about Catholicism they simply cannot accept to leave the program, thus not converting.
Most people in RCIA probably have already done a great deal of independent research, and pretty much know what the Church believes and practices. They're (at the very least) 95% sure they want to be Catholics.
However, if - for whateve reason - one decides not to convert, they can can leave the RCIA program without converting.
%26lt;%26lt;I really want to learn more, but I haven't decided for sure that I want to convert, I'm just looking into it.%26gt;%26gt;
You should get a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It's the Church's primary teaching tool and it's available in most bookstores. Softcover editions go for $10. If there is a Walmart in your area, you can obtain a soft-cover edition for $3.95, so I'm told.
%26lt;%26lt;Also, is there any point in attending mass if I can't participate in communion?%26gt;%26gt;
YES! While the Eucharist is the Source and Summit of the Catholic Christian Faith, a lot goes on at the Mass. The Catholic Mass is the sort of thing where you get out of it what you put into it - even when you cannot yet receive Holy Communion as a Catholic. It's still worth going to.
There's much you can learn about the Catholic Faith simply by attending Mass.
%26lt;%26lt;Or should I just keep going to my current church while I take classes?%26gt;%26gt;
If you are looking to convert to Catholicism, I would recommend you begin attending Mass on a regular basis at a Catholic parish.
Stay away from the Babylon Whore of Rome and it's pagan rituals if you want to be saved. It would also be interesting to you if you look up the Jesuit Oath and read it .You can find it in the Library of Congress. I think you will be appalled by it as much as I was.
stay away from catholisism!!!!! stay christian!!!! http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/ check out this link pleeeaase!!!!!!
Are Roman Catholics Christian?
Are Roman Catholics Christians? They are, if they have trusted in Jesus alone for the forgiveness of their sins. However, if they believe that the are saved by God's grace and their works, then they are not saved -- even if they believe their works are done by God's grace -- since they then deny the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice.
Being a Christian does not mean being a member of the Roman Catholic Church. It means being a member of the body of Christ, which is accomplished by faith and trust in Jesus alone for the forgiveness of your sins. It means that you do not add your works to His work. Sincerity doesn't forgive sins. Membership in a church doesn't forgive sins. Doing works of penance doesn't forgive sins. Praying to Mary doesn't forgive sins. Forgiveness is received in the faithful trust and acceptance of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross. You must trust Jesus, God in flesh, for the forgiveness of sins, not a manmade ritual and certainly not the Catholic saints. Even though the Roman Catholic Church affirms the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and His physical resurrection, it greatly errs in its doctrine of salvation by adding works to salvation.
The official Roman Catholic doctrine of salvation is that the grace of God is infused into a baby at baptism -- making him/her justified before God.1 This justification can be lost through sin and must be regained by repeated participation in the many sacraments found in the Roman Catholic Church. These sacraments increase the measure of grace in the person by which he or she is enabled to do good works, which are in turn rewarded with the joy of heaven:
';We can therefore hope in the glory of heaven promised by God to those who love him and do his will. In every circumstance, each one of us should hope, with the grace of God, to persevere 'to the end' and to obtain the joy of heaven, as God's eternal reward for the good works accomplished with the grace of Christ,'; (Catechism of the Catholic Church, par. 1821).
';Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification,'; (CCC, par. 2010).
No one can say whether a Roman Catholic is truly a Christian or not, since we cannot know people's hearts. But, if anyone, Catholic included, openly denies essential doctrines2 then he is not saved, and this is the problem. It appears that the Roman Catholic church is denying the essential doctrine of justification by faith. It says...
';If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.'; (Canon 9, Council of Trent).
';If any one saith, that man is truly absolved from his sins and justified, because he assuredly believed himself absolved and justified; or, that no one is truly justified but he who believes himself justified; and that, by this faith alone, absolution and justification are effected; let him be anathema.'; (Canon 14, Council of Trent).
For more on this, please see Council of Trent. Canons on Justification.
Notice that justification by faith alone is denied and heaven is the reward for doing good works. This is the problem. The RCC does not teach the biblical doctrine of justification by faith. It teaches justification by faith and works. If you want to see more on this, go to
The Roman Catholic view on justification.
So, what is the CARM position on Roman Catholics?
CARM's position is simple. If a Roman Catholic believes in the official Roman Catholic teaching on salvation, then he is not a Christian since the official RCC position is contrary to Scripture. Therefore, as a whole, Roman Catholics need to be evangelized. They need to hear the true Gospel. They need to hear that they are not made right before God by being in a church, or by being baptized, but by receiving Christ (John 1:12), believing that Jesus has risen from the dead (Rom. 10:9), and that justification is by faith (Rom. 5:1) and not by our deeds (Rom. 4:5). It is only true faith that results in true works (James 2), not the other way around. Roman Catholics, like anyone else, need to trust in Jesus alone for the forgiveness of their sins and not the Catholic sacraments, not the words of the priest, not the Pope, not Mary, not the saints, not penance, not indulgences, not the rosary, etc. Jesus alone is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6).
Finally, I believe that there are truly regenerate Christians in the Roman Catholic church. But, they are truly Christians in spite of official RCC theology and in spite of the ritualistic offerings of this ancient church which has had too many hands meddling in it through the centuries, gradually moving it away from orthodoxy and into apostasy. Yes, apostasy. The Roman Catholic Church is no longer representing true Christianity.
Jesus alone saves. Jesus alone is Lord. Only Jesus' sacrifice can cleanse us. Only by faith are we made right before God. Justification is by faith, not by anything we do.
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